gc83uk's september '13 procedure.

[censur]

Ok guys, I´ve summed it all up for you and put it all in a new thread. If somebody wants to elicit a response from HASCI, feel free to quote me, copy and paste the text or simply refer to this forum post. http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthr...740#post146740

Excellent work, Arashi!
A well written letter with lots of solid evidence instead of pure speculation.

Please let's write our discussion in this thread, and leave that other thread clear of that. In that thread we should however post the response we may or may not get from Hasci.

I must say I really feel sad about this. I really thought this was going to be the answer to my very limited donor area and severe hairloss.
It may still be a good treatment option because of the absence of scars, but now I really need to consider how I am going to do about my second treatment.
I mean, I think about my hair loss problem every single day - many, many times.

You guys have done a great work, really.
I still do however HOPE that HASCI will prove these conclusions are incorrect.
I really doubt they can though.
The question is how we can make them actually give a thourough answer to your letter, Arashi.
They should really realize the potential effects this could have on their business if they choose not to reply at all.
I mean, this is the worlds largest forum for hair loss, with thousands of potential HST-candidates and the reputation will spread far beyond this forum as well.

[caddarik79]

Ok guys, I´ve summed it all up for you and put it all in a new thread. If somebody wants to elicit a response from HASCI, feel free to quote me, copy and paste the text or simply refer to this forum post. http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthr...740#post146740

Thank you Arashi for the effort.

Since this letter is the kind of a bit result of our confrontation of this afternoon, I decided I would do the other part of the process and sent it to my french speaking correspondant who is very nice and always patiently brought me answers.

I pasted him the link of your new thread, explained him that HST was still very much debated and bashed or at least reconsiderd and that it was based on real study and regular observation of a specific patient.

I told him that somehow, with their silence on difficult question, they also created some doubts + your own energy in counter-exampling this very low regeneration rate.

I said we all need answers, and that I feel it is more bashed than a year ago for example.
also that I feel things start to happen in the competition, so it would be nice to receive answers on each point from whoever from HASCI is able and accepting to re-counter-demonstrate the whole thing.

The goal of all this is not to split people into pro gho and anti Gho, just that the same questions always come back and never stop coming back.
And it's really time to be super clear.

You gave money and trust for 85% donor regen, it's legit that we talk the issue when we obtain different result with homemade studies.
And I reminded him that it's kind of true that it is hard for us not to see a 8000+ result or more from a hair multiplication Institute... all this helps keeping doubt and being uncomfortable with!!!

I also mentioned that on the other hand, when we read their papers on their sites, and teir study, it's very convincing... so this schizophreny should stop for good!!!!



Voilà.

[didi]

Im not interested in their answers, wth can they say? We have seen what they are capable of, right?

Do you wanna believe Ghos word or your own eyes?

[JJJJrS]

Guys Gho will never change, talking to their docs and techs is waste of time, Gho knows exactly what he is doing and now it all makes sense.

I have to agree. What can anyone expect HASCI to say? "Sorry, you caught us, there's really no donor regeneration..." Of course they'll continue to deny and ignore the facts like they've always done. Their whole business and livelihood depends on this.

HASCI has already managed to get their work published in a peer-reviewed journal and have won court cases against rival hair transplant surgeons in the Dutch advertising commission. It won't be easy to discredit them. I'm confident in our findings of course, but do you really think someone who isn't hyper-interested in hair loss will even appreciate or understand the analysis? Even enthusiasts on these forums struggle to grasp some of the findings. You can contact a medical board or consumer protection agency but I'm skeptical it will result in anything.

Give him chance to do proper 50 graft test(which I know Gho will refuse) and distance himself and TBT from Gho.

I agree with this. If Gho wants to prove his procedure, let him document a proper, supervised 50 graft test. Hell, it can even be a 20 or 10 graft test. Even extracting a few 3-hair grafts and monitoring that is better than nothing.

Otherwise, the discussion isn't worth the time.

[JJJJrS]

It's clear some people have an agenda, I think some people want Gho to fail or go Bankrupt because they believe he over charges. Madness.

I don't agree with this at all. Every sane hairloss sufferer wants a cure to come out. Once you can consistently double hair, then the possibilities are endless. Who, other than rivals, would want to hold that back? Cost is irrelevant here. Inevitably price will always go down over time.

In this case, unfortunately, HASCI's claims just don't add up. Even without getting into the specifics of our analysis, HASCI's behaviour towards the procedure just isn't consistent with something that is essentially a cure for hairloss. To me, everything points clearly towards graft splitting.

As someone who raised a lot of awareness about the procedure, that's a tough fact to accept. I can't do anything about my hairloss at the moment because of that. Gho has every opportunity to prove us wrong but doesn't and that speaks volumes. Frankly, it's not worth discussing anymore.

[534623]

I don't agree with this at all. Every sane hairloss sufferer wants a cure to come out.

Sure - and the cure should be for free. Right?

Of course I'm right, JJJrS ...

[534623]

I have to agree. What can anyone expect HASCI to say? "Sorry, you caught us, there's really no donor regeneration..."

Should they lie?
Why do you lie? Couldn't you SEE around 80% out of "more than 100 analyzed extraction points" the donor regenerating?? It doesn't matter if there are 100 or 10000 extraction points - THE RATIO of around 80% donor regeneration is always the same!

With gc's 4th HST procedure - you can choose an area you want for an accurate analysis and you can choose extraction points as much as you want - the result will always be around 80% REGNERATION with growing hair in the extraction points again. Sorry, what else?

Ridiculous ...

[greatjob!]

Congrats on you latest procedure gc!! Happy for you brotha, grow well!!

[didi]

Should they lie?
Why do you lie? Couldn't you SEE around 80% out of "more than 100 analyzed extraction points" the donor regenerating?? It doesn't matter if there are 100 or 10000 extraction points - THE RATIO of around 80% donor regeneration is always the same!

With gc's 4th HST procedure - you can choose an area you want for an accurate analysis and you can choose extraction points as much as you want - the result will always be around 80% REGNERATION with growing hair in the extraction points again. Sorry, what else?

Ridiculous ...

You are genius IM....you really think it does not matter. Well it does. Just think harder.

Imagine 100 normal fue grafts get transplanted +900extra failed extractions, what you gonna see in donor?

90% regeneration....am I rite...even with fue......

(that was extreme example, just for you IM so you could understand it betta).



Out of these 100 GCs extraction site you always bring up, 40 are failed extractions, another 40 are split grafts growing back(ex 2 and 3 hair grafts) and 20 are grafts that fully got transplanted(hence, no split).





Stories about 20% in telogen don't regrow, using hair as guide, magic gho juice, donor regeneration is as real as santa claus.


BTW, Gcs 5000 hst grafts are like 2500-3000 fues....not a big deal, H&W get 6000-8000 on average on NW6, GC is nowhere near NW6.

[JJJJrS]

Should they lie?
Why do you lie? Couldn't you SEE around 80% out of "more than 100 analyzed extraction points" the donor regenerating?? It doesn't matter if there are 100 or 10000 extraction points - THE RATIO of around 80% donor regeneration is always the same!

With gc's 4th HST procedure - you can choose an area you want for an accurate analysis and you can choose extraction points as much as you want - the result will always be around 80% REGNERATION with growing hair in the extraction points again. Sorry, what else?

Ridiculous ...

[JJJJrS]

You are genius IM....you really think it does not matter. Well it does. Just think harder.

Imagine 100 normal fue grafts get transplanted +900extra failed extractions, what you gonna see in donor?

90% regeneration....am I rite...even with fue......

(that was extreme example, just for you IM so you could understand it betta).



Out of these 100 GCs extraction site you always bring up, 40 are failed extractions, another 40 are split grafts growing back(ex 2 and 3 hair grafts) and 20 are grafts that fully got transplanted(hence, no split).





Stories about 20% in telogen don't regrow, using hair as guide, magic gho juice, donor regeneration is as real as santa claus.


BTW, Gcs 5000 hst grafts are like 2500-3000 fues....not a big deal, H&W get 6000-8000 on average on NW6, GC is nowhere near NW6.

He knows exactly what's going on. No need to spell it out for him.

All of this would be very sad if the hair loss industry wasn't already filled with charlatans and misleading claims. From the micrografts and scalp reductions of the past to the FUT scars and propecia shills of today. Gho is just a small part of the package.

[elvispresley]

I want just to give a massive THANKS to GC and Arashi. For the job done.
For the Community of living humans.



a race that naturally should help each other.
but is blinded from their polluted mind.

for Arashi : can you please pass me the link where i can download ALL the material IMAGES and FINAL CONCLUSION of your wonderful work?
thanks a lot.

thanks again to all the aware people.

[Arashi]

I want just to give a massive THANKS to GC and Arashi. For the job done.
For the Community of living humans.



a race that naturally should help each other.
but is blinded from their polluted mind.

for Arashi : can you please pass me the link where i can download ALL the material IMAGES and FINAL CONCLUSION of your wonderful work?
thanks a lot.

thanks again to all the aware people.

Thanks ! You can download it here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m06tjcp1rztfd6u/gaz.zip
The best conclusion is in that open letter to HASCI.

[gc83uk]

I don't agree with this at all. Every sane hairloss sufferer wants a cure to come out. Once you can consistently double hair, then the possibilities are endless. Who, other than rivals, would want to hold that back? Cost is irrelevant here. Inevitably price will always go down over time.

The keyword here is Sane. Don't believe for a moment I was referring to you. There is one person in particular that despised Hasci because of their high prices.

I can imagine for this person in particular it would be very frustrating knowing that you can't afford the procedure and it must be equally frustrating to know of people who can afford and do go to Hasci and are treated with (arguably of course) good results, especially a year ago when it was believed to be more credible.

In their mind, it's good that (they believe) it's failed, because everyone can move on and put pressure on another Dr who can deliver for cheaper prices.

I won't quote exactly, but saying things like, wow Nigam is a game changer, Gho is sure to go Bankrupt now, smiley face here!

That's just retarded.

[Arashi]

Should they lie?
Why do you lie? Couldn't you SEE around 80% out of "more than 100 analyzed extraction points" the donor regenerating?? It doesn't matter if there are 100 or 10000 extraction points - THE RATIO of around 80% donor regeneration is always the same!

With gc's 4th HST procedure - you can choose an area you want for an accurate analysis and you can choose extraction points as much as you want - the result will always be around 80% REGNERATION with growing hair in the extraction points again. Sorry, what else?

Ridiculous ...

And there I was, thinking you were actually just grumpy. But no, you just really don't understand it !! Read Didi's explanation, in red. And read it again and again until you get it.