Poll: What do you think of Hasci and their HST?

[gc83uk]

Yeah I just wish they would have taken someone like him and completely restored them with 10,000+ grafts, then no one could doubt their claims ever. I'm not a Gho hater, and I probably have taken things too far calling you a "fanboy" in the past, I'm just a skeptic by nature. Just tying to wade through the bs and get at the truth. Btw hope things are working out well for you with your procedures.

Ha I honestly don't remember the fanboy comment, can't take anything too serious on these boards!

I've got my next procedure in September, so I don't see why we won't have all the answers by then, i'll be literally taking photos of my entire donor area before and after, which will hopefully answer any remaining questions.

[Skywalker]

...which could have been achieved with 3000 FUE grafts buy some skilled fue doctor such as dr Lorenzo or Ferudini, Cole..they use bigger punches .8-.9mm and manage to get scarfree fue after a few thousand grafts...

That's factually inaccurate.

How do I know that ? Well I asked them in the forums, a few years back I requested FUE doctors if they could commit to scar free FUE after a few thousand grafts from the donor area. I got the stubborn sounds of silence so I actually pushed FUE clinics for an answer on whether they could provide such a commitment.

The answers varied between still Silence; "No"; & "Never"...

[didi]

DS can have 10 000 grafts transplanted at the expense of 1500 grafts in donor area.
HST does not cause white dots so why would that be an issue knowing DS shaves his head to the bone.

1500 grafts is nothing to lose, average person have 6000 available with fue/fut.

At this point dean only lost 750 grafts(1 and 2 hair grafts)



Hasci made big mistake to get dean saunders to promote their hair multiplication technique,
it would be more convincing and effective to get 50 grafts test right (assuming 85% regen grwth+rcpient),




HST= Hair Splitting Transplant

[greatjob!]

DS can have 10 000 grafts transplanted at the expense of 1500 grafts in donor area.
HST does not cause white dots so why would that be an issue knowing DS shaves his head to the bone.

1500 grafts is nothing to lose, average person have 6000 available with fue/fut.

At this point dean only lost 750 grafts(1 and 2 hair grafts)



Hasci made big mistake to get dean saunders to promote their hair multiplication technique,
it would be more convincing and effective to get 50 grafts test right (assuming 85% regen grwth+rcpient),




HST= Hair Splitting Transplant

Well at least someone understands my questions although IM will without a doubt question your IQ level instead of actually addressing your valid concerns...

[gc83uk]

DS can have 10 000 grafts transplanted at the expense of 1500 grafts in donor area.
HST does not cause white dots so why would that be an issue knowing DS shaves his head to the bone.

1500 grafts is nothing to lose, average person have 6000 available with fue/fut.

At this point dean only lost 750 grafts(1 and 2 hair grafts)



Hasci made big mistake to get dean saunders to promote their hair multiplication technique,
it would be more convincing and effective to get 50 grafts test right (assuming 85% regen grwth+rcpient),




HST= Hair Splitting Transplant

I think the issue for DS is the amount of hairless gaps, lets lose the scarring suggestion, because we all know there is no scarring in HST, it's just about the hairless gaps or thinning if you want to call it that.

You say 6000 is average amount of grafts available in ones donor area, I'd certainly question that statement, but I suspect DS only had about 3000 available, just like I only had 2000 available as verified by two other Hair Transplant drs.

Now if you have 3000 grafts available which I suspect he did and you create upwards of 1000 hairless gaps it's going to begin to look like he is visibly thinning, do you not think?

If DS was to grow his hair a bit longer then I'm sure this wouldn't be any issue and DS could probably have another 2 or 3 HSTs. I actually think he'll go again as I've previously stated, he's come this far, so why stop.

If DS had gone to another top FUE surgeon, then perhaps he could have had 3000 in one procedure, but I don't think it would have been enough for him, even 5000 isn't enough AND he would be ****ed because he wouldn't be able to shave his head anymore and his donor would be depleted.

He needed about 10,000 in reality and we know that even the likes of Lorenzo wouldn't be able to do that without seriously ****ing up his head.

[didi]

even another 2-3 hsts will look very thin when grown out and it will only be good for a nice combover and that's not DSs style,

I wonder why he cant have another 3 procedures to get proper thicker shadow all over with nicely placed hairline and still shave. as hst does not leave white dots...
yes there will be 1500 gaps/hairless spots but once you shave it to the bone spots disappear...(assuming there are no white dots, its important to distinguish between white dots and hairless gaps)..

btw these 1500 hairless gaps at the back and sides could be SMPed and hed end up with 10 000 grafts on top..

if he wants more thickness he should go for 15 000 grafts at the expense of 2500 hairless gaps...

but that is only possible if there 85% regen rate in donor

[gc83uk]

even another 2-3 hsts will look very thin when grown out and it will only be good for a nice combover and that's not DSs style,

I wonder why he cant have another 3 procedures to get proper thicker shadow all over with nicely placed hairline and still shave. as hst does not leave white dots...
yes there will be 1500 gaps/hairless spots but once you shave it to the bone spots disappear...(assuming there are no white dots, its important to distinguish between white dots and hairless gaps)..

btw these 1500 hairless gaps at the back and sides could be SMPed and hed end up with 10 000 grafts on top..

if he wants more thickness he should go for 15 000 grafts at the expense of 2500 hairless gaps...

but that is only possible if there 85% regen rate in donor

I agree that if he were to grow it out now it would look thin. But lets be honest he didn't really have any other options, so I believe he has done the right thing. It's not as if he could have got normal FUE unless he was prepared to grow his hair out to cover up the FUE scars, which as you say isn't his style.

Regarding your comment on getting 15000 grafts, I have another question for you, what's to stop a Hasci patient asking for the donor area to repaired at a later date using the new hairs in the recipient area? They should regrow in the recipient area right, with a 15% loss. Now that's a question I'm surprised your haven't asked.

[didi]

'Regarding your comment on getting 15000 grafts, I have another question for you, what's to stop a Hasci patient asking for the donor area to repaired at a later date using the new hairs in the recipient area? They should regrow in the recipient area right, with a 15% loss. Now that's a question I'm surprised your haven't asked.'



I actulally asked hasci whether transplanted hair can be used as donor and one of doc that responded said something like ' transplanted hairs grow thinner and cant be re-transplanted...'

its a very good question to ask, that would solve these hairless gaps and tbh I don't think these hst hairs are thinner(calibre) and lack quality or anything...its hascis spin

there is no issues with re transplanting fue/fut grafts...why hst is different?


lets say DS goes for 10 000 grafts with hst...and then transplants 1500 from top to donor..solves depleted donor area issue...donor loss 0 hairs....

only possible if hst works as claimed..if he is splitting instead it wont be possible

[gc83uk]

Who told you that HST grafts can't be re-harvested? And was it over an email? Post the exact quote if you still have it please.

What is the difference between re-harvesting a donor graft 2 or 3 times which has already happened in my case VS re-harvesting a HST recipient graft either back into the donor area?

Surely it's the same thing, no?

[Skywalker]

Didi,
I'm actually surprised you're here, you seem convinced that Dr Nigam is the real deal (I REALLY hope he is) - which means he'll have turned a proper NW7 into a NW1 by the end of the year and all this will be academic

[Arashi]

I thought they planned 3 HST's before he even had his first one, no? That would suggest it has nothing to do with the end result of his donor, but more to do with the initial plan.

I actually believe he will be back for more.

According to Kristel there were 3 reasons for him having 3 HST's:
1. He mainly wanted to frame his face, so was interested in the hairline
2. Regrowth isn't 100%, after multiple HST's you'll start to see what you see after a FUE. If clients state that they want to be able to shave their heads completely, HASCI advices a max of 3x HST's.
3. The marketing deal was simply 3 HST's.

Furthermore Kristel said that he was extremely happy with his results and might be coming back for more.

After this, I asked her for more info about that 3 HST thing, cause I couldn't believe they'd advise clients to only get 3 HST's if they wanted to shave their heads. She then replied:

"We want to prevent that the donor starts to look like a FUE result. That's why after 3 HST's we look at the donor and make a continuation plan based on that. If you continue, there will be visible loss in density and we want to prevent that for clients who want to shave their heads."

Personally I think this is weird response if regrowth would be really 85%. I mean who cares about a slightly lower donor density. Most people would have no problems with a 2000 FUE transplant. Consider that 2000 FUE is 5000 hairs (average graft has 2.5 hairs). Let's say the average HST graft is, what, 1.3 hair ? So that's 3800 hairs. So 3800 HST grafts would yield a 2000 FUE donor look (which most people would accept), but would yield 25.333 new hairs in donor !! (at 85% regrowth)
So 25.333 new hairs in donor, is 19486 grafts (at 1.3 hair/graft). Let's say average HST is 1600 grafts, so that's 12 HST's procedures, to yield a 2000 FUE like donor.

Yet HASCI advices a max of 3 HST's and then they'll see if it's wise to continue. To me that equals admitting donor regrowth is nowhere 85%

[Arashi]

You know, IM can insult and swear what he wants, but the simple fact is that ALL the celebrities, who have tons of money) stopped after just a few HST's. Furthermore, after 10+ years of business, HASCI can't produce 1 single photo of a client who had 10+ HST's (which equals LESS than a 2000 FUE donor loss). It all just doesn't add up.

[garethbale]

Has Wesley Sneijder had any more HTs?

he seemed to stop at about 2/3 as well and although his result looks decent, he should aim for a bit more IMO

[Arashi]

Has Wesley Sneijder had any more HTs?

he seemed to stop at about 2/3 as well and although his result looks decent, he should aim for a bit more IMO

I think Wesley sneijder looks quite good, I'm not sure I'd go back if I were him. Gerard Joling though could use tons more and he knows it too, the guy is vain as hell so it's just weird he stopped, if regrowth would be really 85% he'd be coming back for WAY more. And then there are Frans Bauer and Peter van der Vorst, their results look quite disappointing at best.

Frank Bauer just posted this pic 2 weeks ago: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...levant_count=1

Man this guy could use at LEAST 2k grafts more in his hairline. Yet he didn't go back for more, just like all the others.

[Arashi]

And BTW, Frans Bauer also admitted in several interviews he's vain as hell. So this guy is happy with this look:https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater ????

It just doesn't add up. Don't get me wrong, I still think HASCI is the best thing out there, if only for the scarless procedure. And I do believe regrowth happens, to a certain extend (otherwise you couldn't explain gc83uk's results for example). But at this point I just think no one can defend 85% regrowth. And the more IM starts swearing and insulting, the more you know he's ran out of answers too.