Poll: What do you think of Hasci and their HST?

[Arashi]

And that's the point where Dr. Nigam comes into play:
... because he (and only he!) can give you all the sickness (erm..thickness?) and density you want!

Sigh. I've always said that I (highly) doubt dr Nigams can do what he says he can do. Not sure why you think otherwise. But I do recognize that he's putting great effort into proving his technique, the way he's been documenting Tom's case is just nothing short of outstanding. It seems we'll have proof (or disproof) of his technique earlier than we have anything from HASCI, while Dr Nigams is new here and HASCI has been in business for what, 12 years ? And we still don't know nothing. Yeah we do know now that they mainly transplant single hair grafts and that they've told Dean Saunders to stop getting more HST's, after his 3rd, while he's still as bold a a billiard ball.

[gc83uk]

What happens if you want to extract transplanted grafts from the recipient area back to the donor to make it thicker again? lol Can we just keep going round in circles?

Problem is a lot of my recipient hairs are indeed singles, but I have lots of doubles too, so surely I could put these back in the donor or even better harvest from the recipient and place the new grafts in recipient too?

Any thoughts on that?

[greatjob!]

And that's the point where Dr. Nigam comes into play:


... because he (and only he!) can give you all the sickness (erm..thickness?) and density you want!

IM this is why so many people on here cant stand you. I have tried to have a reasonable discussion with legitimate concerns and you have just skated around my questions. Then Arashi comes on asking the same legitimate questions and you respond with an attack on him and Dr. Nigam, which really makes no sense because this topic has nothing to do with Dr. Nigam.

The reason I was watching Saunders case closely is because I believe his case would make or break hst. From my understanding they were giving him free procedures and he has money anyways, so money is not a limitation. So all that would stop him from getting say 10,000 grafts would be the actual regeneration rate, and it seems right now it is nowhere near 85%.

You should take a step back and not personalize this issue so much. You paid Dr. Gho for your procedure so you don't owe him anything else. This topic is not Gho vs. Nigam, or me vs. you, it is just a discussion about valid questions that have been raised since hasci is recommending people not proceed with additional procedures way before they should be if they are really getting the regeneration rate they claim.

[534623]

the actual regeneration rate, and it seems right now it is nowhere near 85%.

Why? Can you see Dean Saunders donor area after 5000 HST grafts ****ED UP?

Or can you only find photos of him with very long hair?

Or do you consider these question as "not valid" questions too?

[greatjob!]

Why? Can you see Dean Saunders donor area after 5000 HST grafts ****ED UP?

Or can you only find photos of him with very long hair?

All of that is irrelevant. He was advised to not have another procedure after only 5100 grafts, which if they are truly achieving 85% regeneration is nowhere near where his donor should be maxed out. If he received 85% regeneration he would have only lost around 750 grafts. He would have to have the worst donor density on the planet to have maxed his donor out already or he did not experience 85% regeneration, which seems more plausible?

[534623]

All of that is irrelevant.

Sorry, but what part exactly of this post ...

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=129303&postcount=35

... don't you understand???

Sorry, but im not responsible for your low IQ.

When they advise HIM (that means not you, not me and nobody else), in this case it just means, that they advice HIM not to do more, in case if he still wants to shave his head down to the bone. Why? Because in HIS case, more than 1000 (!) hairless gaps (after a 4th procedure etc etc) would be already NOTICEABLE - and of course, in his case it would be noticable.

And what part of this ... ahh, makes no sense to ask anyhow ...lol

[gc83uk]

All of that is irrelevant. He was advised to not have another procedure after only 5100 grafts, which if they are truly achieving 85% regeneration is nowhere near where his donor should be maxed out. If he received 85% regeneration he would have only lost around 750 grafts. He would have to have the worst donor density on the planet to have maxed his donor out already or he did not experience 85% regeneration, which seems more plausible?

I thought they planned 3 HST's before he even had his first one, no? That would suggest it has nothing to do with the end result of his donor, but more to do with the initial plan.

I actually believe he will be back for more.

[Brock Landers]

results impress me

If you read the HASCI reply that was posted here, Saunders was advised to not have any more procedures only in that it might cause visible scarring in the back, not that he had run out of hair. So basically he was a NW 6/7 and he got 5100 grafts out with NO scarring?!! I don't understand why everyone here doesn't see that as amazing?!

I have had a couple consultations with very reputable, experienced doctors. I am currently a NW 3, but headed to NW 6 eventually, and one Dr. told me I had a 3000 FUE donor supply, the second said he could get out 3800 FUE. BOTH told me that I would not be able to shave closer than a 2 guaranteed, maybe a 1 if I healed well. That is nearly not enough grafts for a NW 6, AND I wouldn't be able to shave down either. That is the reality of FUE for many, many patients. These claims about 11000 FUE grafts are the extremely rare cases that happen once in a blue moon.

For what Saunders started with, and what he got, and the fact that he can shave down completely, he should be thrilled. Any other Dr., he would have had a dusting of grafts covering his head, and then could have only shaved down to a 2, or maybe a 1.

[534623]

I thought they planned 3 HST's before he even had his first one, no? That would suggest it has nothing to do with the end result of his donor, but more to do with the initial plan.

Right - that's the other story and I guess it's THE story. And this story is actually not new either, because they reported "this plan" since day 1.

So why does such shit happen at all?
It's always the same story:

"Kristel told me..."
"I emailed Kristel..."
"Kristel told me..."
"I emailed Kristel..."
"Kristel told me..."
"I emailed Kristel..."
"Kristel told me..."
"I emailed Kristel..."
"Kristel told me..."
"I emailed Kristel..."

[greatjob!]

Sorry, but what part exactly of this post ...

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=129303&postcount=35

... don't you understand???

Sorry, but im not responsible for your low IQ.

When they advise HIM (that means not you, not me and nobody else), in this case it just means, that they advice HIM not to do more, in case if he still wants to shave his head down to the bone. Why? Because in HIS case, more than 1000 (!) hairless gaps (after a 4th procedure etc etc) would be already NOTICEABLE - and of course, in his case it would be noticable.

And what part of this ... ahh, makes no sense to ask anyhow ...lol

See there you go again. It's ironic that you resort to personal attacks when you can't answer questions fully and tell the other person they have a low IQ, because only someone with meager intelligence would resort to petty attacks instead of using their intellect to convince the other party their position is the correct one. I honestly haven't had much of a problem with you because you are rather amusing on these forums, and I can appreciate being a d*ck because sometimes it's fun. However I am done trying to have a meaningful discussion with you as it seems you are mentally incapable of sustaining such a discussion and instead digress into some childish flame war.

[534623]

See there you go again.

Sure, what else?

[534623]

If you read the HASCI reply that was posted here, Saunders was advised to not have any more procedures only in that it might cause visible scarring in the back, not that he had run out of hair. So basically he was a NW 6/7 and he got 5100 grafts out with NO scarring?!! I don't understand why everyone here doesn't see that as amazing?!

Because they still see a guy with shaved down hairs to the bone

= bald! lol

[greatjob!]

I thought they planned 3 HST's before he even had his first one, no? That would suggest it has nothing to do with the end result of his donor, but more to do with the initial plan.

I actually believe he will be back for more.

If you read the HASCI reply that was posted here, Saunders was advised to not have any more procedures only in that it might cause visible scarring in the back, not that he had run out of hair. So basically he was a NW 6/7 and he got 5100 grafts out with NO scarring?!! I don't understand why everyone here doesn't see that as amazing?!

I have had a couple consultations with very reputable, experienced doctors. I am currently a NW 3, but headed to NW 6 eventually, and one Dr. told me I had a 3000 FUE donor supply, the second said he could get out 3800 FUE. BOTH told me that I would not be able to shave closer than a 2 guaranteed, maybe a 1 if I healed well. That is nearly not enough grafts for a NW 6, AND I wouldn't be able to shave down either. That is the reality of FUE for many, many patients. These claims about 11000 FUE grafts are the extremely rare cases that happen once in a blue moon.

For what Saunders started with, and what he got, and the fact that he can shave down completely, he should be thrilled. Any other Dr., he would have had a dusting of grafts covering his head, and then could have only shaved down to a 2, or maybe a 1.

Thank you both for chiming in and actually intelligently addressing my questions. Talking to IM is like talking to a merry-go-round. I guess I can accept your logic. I guess I just don't understand the desire to shave down to a zero guard when he could have a full head of hair with no signs of scarring or donor thinning at a 1 or two guard. I mean the point of a hair transplant is to have hair on your head. That is why I concluded that it must be due to the regeneration not being 85%, but I guess this case doesn't prove that. I'm just frustrated with this, because since they were giving him free procedures and he is rich I was just hoping he would be the case to approach a high graft count like 10,000 grafts that traditional HT can't achieve so it would be proven without a doubt they are truly achieving such a high regeneration rate. Oh well

[gc83uk]

Thank you both for chiming in and actually intelligently addressing my questions. Talking to IM is like talking to a merry-go-round. I guess I can accept your logic. I guess I just don't understand the desire to shave down to a zero guard when he could have a full head of hair with no signs of scarring or donor thinning at a 1 or two guard. I mean the point of a hair transplant is to have hair on your head. That is why I concluded that it must be due to the regeneration not being 85%, but I guess this case doesn't prove that. I'm just frustrated with this, because since they were giving him free procedures and he is rich I was just hoping he would be the case to approach a high graft count like 10,000 grafts that traditional HT can't achieve so it would be proven without a doubt they are truly achieving such a high regeneration rate. Oh well

Well as I'm sure you already know the free procedures are in return for the publicity that Hasci get.

It would be pretty cool if Hasci could show us a before and after of his donor area, they seem to have done videos of DS, a few pictures, they might as well go the whole hog and document the donor. They will have these pictures for sure.

[greatjob!]

Well as I'm sure you already know the free procedures are in return for the publicity that Hasci get.

It would be pretty cool if Hasci could show us a before and after of his donor area, they seem to have done videos of DS, a few pictures, they might as well go the whole hog and document the donor. They will have these pictures for sure.

Yeah I just wish they would have taken someone like him and completely restored them with 10,000+ grafts, then no one could doubt their claims ever. I'm not a Gho hater, and I probably have taken things too far calling you a "fanboy" in the past, I'm just a skeptic by nature. Just tying to wade through the bs and get at the truth. Btw hope things are working out well for you with your procedures.