The 50 Graft Test Procedure

[didi]

I suggest they implant 25 grafts in each red square, his hairline looks shit, too helmety

his crown has lots of hair, how we going to know what was transplanted by hst and what was done by turkish clinic?
even ha prbbly has about 10+ hairs per cm2 in crown area, enough to fk up everything,

[didi]

you sure this one isnt dr umars patient, looks like dr umars hairline?
german helmet style

[Arashi]

I suggest they implant 25 grafts in each red square

LOL. Yeah even better: let's implant 25 grafts in the middle of his forehead, how about that ? Come on Didi, you can't expect ANYBODY to have 25 grafts implanted in that area you selected.

If good photo's pre-op are being made, then it should be a piece of cake to differentiate between the hairs that were already there and the hairs that got implanted. Just look at the JJJR's analysis of GC83UK. This one is going to be 10x easier, even if there are some hairs already.

[didi]

how many fue grafts he had transplanted?
wonder what was yield...

is he happy with growth or its just donor that he is unhappy abt

[Arashi]

how many fue grafts he had transplanted?
wonder what was yield...

is he happy with growth or its just donor that he is unhappy abt

Dunno. Man why is this guy still in the Moderation queue, I hate forwarding questions/replies all the time. Come on Winston, get this guy's account approved.

[didi]

it would be good to hear from out test dummy before he sits in hasci chair

seriously Winston, guys been in moderation q for 2 weeks..he is not a terrorist

[JJJJrS]

What do you think, JJJJrS ? You've said:


How important are these 2-3 cm2 ? If good photo's are being made, the grafts could be a bit more apart, right ? I don't see why they should be that close together in donor ? Or am I missing something ? In recipient it would indeed be good to have them rather close together but again, would it make any difference to have 5 cm2 instead of 3 cm ? As I see it, the only reason for having them close both in donor and recipient is for ease of analysis, right ?

Let me know and I'll send forward the 'requirements' to Kristel.

The size isn't critical but it's easier to monitor and analyse if the results are contained in a small area. It doesn't have to be exactly according to our specifications but you don't want things spread over too large of an area.

According to HASCI, they can generally transplant ~35 grafts/cm^2 for the first pass so an area of ~2 cm^2 should be enough in the recipient for 50 grafts. In this case, you would like to find as close to a slick-bald area as possible, just to minimize any confusion between the transplanted and pre-exisitng hairs.

The donor is less critical. HASCI should use as much room as they need without endangering regeneration. I think an area between 2-5 cm^2 should be fine. The key here is to extract a mix of 1-hair, 2-hair, and 3-hair units so we can evaluate the results based on each type of graft.

The important thing is that they take plenty of before an after photos and that the patient regularly shaves the monitored area which will be much easier to do if it's smaller.

[534623]

The important thing is ...

Is there something else on your wishlist?

[censur]

Dunno. Man why is this guy still in the Moderation queue, I hate forwarding questions/replies all the time. Come on Winston, get this guy's account approved.

I had the same problem when I tried to register my user on this forum.
It took about 2-3 weeks before I got my account approved, after sending several e-mails to forum admins asking if perhaps something was wrong.
I have no right to complain at a great forum that is free of charge, but I think this massive moderation delay for new members is perhaps unecessarily hampering the growth of this important community.

[cocacola]

They probably forgot and he should write to the admins. Me, it took few days before i could post!

[FearTheLoss]

Who is actually organizing this whole thing? the photography and what not....

We only have one shot at this, so let's make sure we get this done and documented to be fool proof.. this needs to be make or break.

[didi]

TEST is only 4 days away and we dont knw details of it..
it would be good to hear from hasci or our test man

this test have potential to prove hst beyoned doubt(if done properly)..

[Arashi]

TEST is only 4 days away and we dont knw details of it..
it would be good to hear from hasci or our test man

this test have potential to prove hst beyoned doubt(if done properly)..

I've forwarded JJJJr's post on this page to Kristel, but I'm sure she had already figured all this herself, since it's very straightforward (grafts in both donor+recipient as close together as possible without endangering results, and a mix of 1,2 and 3 hair grafts).

Our guy is still in moderation queue ... What's up with that Winston.

[didi]

Any update on this...procedure is 2 days away and we know nothing

gut feeling tells me this will be another sleight of hand by dr gho

I wish dr nigam supervises this procedure, he knows what to look for

[Arashi]

Any update on this...procedure is 2 days away and we know nothing

gut feeling tells me this will be another sleight of hand by dr gho

I wish dr nigam supervises this procedure, he knows what to look for

At this point I'm really starting to consider to ignore you. You're not here cause you're interested in this. You're here to bash Gho and hail Nigams, while not interested in getting any procedure done yourself.

For anybody who IS interested: yes the procedure is going down monday, I've forwarded JJJJR's suggestions to Kristel. Our test person though is getting really frustrated that the admin here, Winston, still hasn't approved his account and is considering opening the result thread on another forum for that reason. I've send Winston a PM but got no reply. Maybe if other people will do the same he'll finally wake up.