The 50 Graft Test Procedure

[Arashi]

Sorry - according to Dr. Nigam, Dr. Gho's grafts don't have something like a "bulb"; a hair follicle bulb, which encloses his beloved "dermal papilla"....

So you can't count what doesn't exist!!

Wow, you guys talked a load of shit during the past few hours...

Hehe. Just skip the post and read my post 298. All we need to do is:
1) Count the hairs in the petridish. This is the total amount of hair that was present in donor. Telogen, anagen or transected, doesn't matter. A hair is a hair.
2) Count hairs in recipient (final result after a year)
3) Count hairs in donor (final result after a year).

This will tell us how many hairs James has lost in donor and how many new hairs he's got in recipient and then it's just about that ratio. If it's 1:1, like in our worst nightmare, then we just bought an expensive FUE.

We'll get a good indication in 3 weeks, once donor regrowth is nearing the final number. If James tomorrow shoots some photo's of recipient, we can count hairs there, which should give us an indication of total expected hairs in recipient (which is expected to be close to 250). So in 3 weeks we'll have a good estimate and we'll be able to say if Gho is just another Dr Nigams or not

[didi]

Theres only 10-15% hairs in telogen,

how come Gho happen to get so many of these hairs, basically ones you shd avoid since telogen grafts dont regenerate?
Do they telogen hairs grow in recipient once transplanted?

[didi]

.. had a quick look at petri..and wonder

Is there a single SINGLE hair graft in there..?


perhaps our man james bald had 70% of hairs in TELOGEN...


dr nigam must be pissing his pants

[c5000]

Hi all.

I haven't had time to read through the latest developments in this thread, but am I right in saying that there were some failed extractions?

I said about failed extractions in my thread here:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10529

but I was basically told that I must have been counting the number of drills wrong. I counted the number of drills and the number of clicks on the counter and there was a BIG difference, but people on this forum dismissed this. Arashi reported the same thing.

I've said before and I'll say ti again, people need to try and count the number of drills and the number of clicks on the counter.

I'm overall happy with the aesthetics of my procedure so far, but I just don't know why Hasci denies all the failed extractions?

If there have been failed extractions in this "50" graft test, it seems they have extracted these failed grafts so that the counts of the drill matches the counts on the clicker.

How are they going to hide the failed grafts?

This is all very strange.


Before IM calls me an idiot or whatever, just save it, I've said before, I refuse to engage in a conversation with you until you can be more open minded about the possibility that this procedure just MIGHT have SOME drawbacks.

[didi]

just the fact that HST cant extract 3 hair grafts is major drawback, i mean i dont think tht James is rare exception who just happen to have thick hair...

im inclined to think everyone falls into that category


no wonder hasci refused old fox Dr Cole to take a look...


It sounds like Dr Umar, Dr Woods, Dr Rassman and all others were right


I wanna hear from Dr Nigam and his opinion about all this
What stem cells, what hair multiplication, its hair division

[gc83uk]

Sorry - according to Dr. Nigam, Dr. Gho's grafts don't have something like a "bulb"; a hair follicle bulb, which encloses his beloved "dermal papilla"....

So you can't count what doesn't exist!!

Wow, you guys talked a load of shit during the past few hours...

OK so we talked a load of shit, but nobody understands apart from You it seems.

So Dr Gho's grafts don't have a hair follicle bulb? OK

Please tell me why some have (what appears to be) bulbs and some don't? Because we now know that all these without bulbs are not in telogen.

In anyone knows this answer other than Iron Man, then please chime in!

[gc83uk]

Hi all.

I haven't had time to read through the latest developments in this thread, but am I right in saying that there were some failed extractions?

I said about failed extractions in my thread here:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10529

but I was basically told that I must have been counting the number of drills wrong. I counted the number of drills and the number of clicks on the counter and there was a BIG difference, but people on this forum dismissed this. Arashi reported the same thing.

I've said before and I'll say ti again, people need to try and count the number of drills and the number of clicks on the counter.

I'm overall happy with the aesthetics of my procedure so far, but I just don't know why Hasci denies all the failed extractions?

If there have been failed extractions in this "50" graft test, it seems they have extracted these failed grafts so that the counts of the drill matches the counts on the clicker.

How are they going to hide the failed grafts?

This is all very strange.


Before IM calls me an idiot or whatever, just save it, I've said before, I refuse to engage in a conversation with you until you can be more open minded about the possibility that this procedure just MIGHT have SOME drawbacks.

Hi mate,

The failed extractions theory hasn't even been discussed yet. We can easily check for that because this James guy has only had 200 extractions made, shouldn't be difficult to find the 200 extractions and if we have more then we can assume they are failed drills.

[Arashi]

just the fact that HST cant extract 3 hair grafts is major drawback, i mean i dont think tht James is rare exception who just happen to have thick hair...

Let's focus on facts here and not on what YOU THINK ok ? You're confusing those 2 here. We know they couldn't do it in James case, we don't know how they go about 3 hair grafts in others.

Furthermore, again, telogen, anagen, transected hair or 'failed extraction', doesn't matter for our result. If we count the hairs in the petridish we have all hairs that were there. If we count the hairs that grow in recipient and donor, we'll then know about the ratio between sacrificied hairs in donor vs new hair in recipient and that's all we need to know.

[Arashi]

OK so we talked a load of shit, but nobody understands apart from You it seems.

So Dr Gho's grafts don't have a hair follicle bulb? OK

Please tell me why some have (what appears to be) bulbs and some don't? Because we now know that all these without bulbs are not in telogen.

In anyone knows this answer other than Iron Man, then please chime in!

I can ask Kristel ? I'm pretty sure they're a mixture of anagen and transected hairs. Might be interesting to find out, but for our analysis it doesn't mattter.

[gc83uk]

I can ask Kristel ? I'm pretty sure they're a mixture of anagen and transected hairs. Might be interesting to find out, but for our analysis it doesn't mattter.

Top man! Please do.

BTW are you suggesting the one's without bulbs are telogen and the one's with bulbs are anagen? Seems way too many to suggest all bulbless are in telogen IMO.

[Arashi]

Top man! Please do.

BTW are you suggesting the one's without bulbs are telogen and the one's with bulbs are anagen? Seems way too many to suggest all bulbless are in telogen IMO.

Anagen hair has well developed bulbs, Telogen not, they're even called 'clubs' instead of bulbs in the literature

[Arashi]

I wanna hear from Dr Nigam and his opinion about all this

LOL, you mean that guy that lied about pretty much everything and hasn't showed us a single valid photo yet ? Yeah let's hear what he has to say

[Arashi]

But man, this all is quite depressing. I was thinking about it. Let's say we find 375 hairs in petridish. According to JJJJRs research, we could expect 65% to regrow in donor, which would mean James lost 131 hairs in donor. Let's say we find 240 hairs in recipient. 131 hairs offered in donor to get 240 new hairs in recipient. This would mean 45.5% effective regrowth.

Still, that's 45% more than FUE, and by far the best procedure out there, but it would be less effective than thought so far.

But again, I'm predicting and assuming stuff here, let's go and find out

[didi]

Can somebody explain to me

Telogen hairs DONT regenerate in donor, according to IM and hasci\
now, according to IM most of singles in petri are telogen...does it mean these hairs wont regenerate in donor? Will they grow in recipient?

WHy so many extracted?

To me they look like transections

[Arashi]

Can somebody explain to me

Telogen hairs DONT regenerate in donor, according to IM and hasci\
now, according to IM most of singles in petri are telogen...does it mean these hairs wont regenerate in donor? Will they grow in recipient?

WHy so many extracted?

To me they look like transections

Where did you see a statement by HASCI ? IM suggested this yeah, but he also said he didn't know for sure if I remember correctly.

But again, for our research, it doesn't matter at all. But it's quite easy to see that what we see in the petridish can ONLY be a mixture of telogen, anagen and transected hairs.