All Hope is Not Lost, After All

[KeepTheHair]

Yeah, there is a big difference between the hopes histogen gives and what other companies give. Histogen definitely already has something succesful, they already have a really good safety trial behind them and they are now only conducting further trials. I am fairly certain that their trials will be a success once again, and if it is...we will see this product on the market within the next decade.

Hopefully way sooner.

[Fixed by 35]

What you need to remember with the newer treatments being developed is the commonality between them. The gene research suggests the reason follicles are susceptible is because the wnt signals are not getting through to tell the hair to grow. Histogen bypasses this problem to deliver wnt signals. That's why it should be unnecessary to take anything else.

The reason it's always 5-10 years away is because that's how long safety trials take. Often during these trials companies realise it's too expensive to continue because their treatment is rubbish and won't make much money (e.g. Revivogen, I think). Histogen already knows its product is good.

[KeepTheHair]

Yeah, this will totally rescue anyone in any early stages of hairloss.

At norwood 4 you probably will still need to perhaps consider a HT.


But if this product takes anyone back a full norwood scale...Thats a great thing. Especially when combined with finasteride and minoxidil

Imagine getting this done, PRP and taking finasteride and using minoxidil.

Hair can definitely be kept in our time. Also regrown

[heynow1234]

lets say your a NW6 and you get a hair transplant. It wont too look great, however add a 25% increase in hairs along with the HT and things will look alot better. This sounds like it could help alot. I try not to get my hopes up about these things. However im 26 now and about a NW3, and I really feel that at the very worst by the time im in my late 30s i will be able to get my hair back with all these advances.

[KeepTheHair]

In think it is the magic bullet, even if it doesn't have a compounded effect if you keep applying it over and over.


If I could increase my hair by 25% that would be awesome...


Imagine if you could use it over and over again.


Also, if you combine this with other treatments...then baldness is definitely preventable today. Unlike decades ago.

[gmonasco]

But it will help those in the miniaturization process. It would also help the very young who are not eligible for a HT. It would also help those who have insufficient hair for transplant. That's not bad for starters.

Certainly that's very good and encouraging. I'm merely pointing out that even if HSC does everything claimed of it in tests so far, it's still just a step in the right direction; it isn't the magic bullet. I'm all in favor of hope, but our expectations should be realistic.

[heresjohnny]

[QUOTE=KeepTheHair;10394]But 25% increase when you have 5 hairs on your head wont really helpQUOTE]

I read it a couple days ago, I think I read it was only injected in a in a specific area and showed that kind of increase. Correct me if I'm worng please.

[KeepTheHair]

is the increase 25% overall hair? or where it is "applied?"

Those 2 things are very different. 25% overall wil help anyone in any norwood scale. But 25% increase when you have 5 hairs on your head wont really help lol doubt it is totally like that.



All I know for sure is. This WILL help me a lot. And I hope I can get it sooner than later..

[crashul]

In any case, results showing a ~22% increase in hair count are promising, but that's not going to restore a full head of hair to anyone who has already experienced significant loss.

Yes very true. But it will help those in the miniaturization process. It would also help the very young who are not eligible for a HT. It would also help those who have insufficient hair for transplant. That's not bad for starters.

[gmonasco]

Histogen says that the hair you grow will last you as long as the previous hairs did. It just how your genes work.

I think that's an educated guess; they can't really know that at this point.

In any case, results showing a ~22% increase in hair count are promising, but that's not going to restore a full head of hair to anyone who has already experienced significant loss.

[KeepTheHair]

You make a good point. But remember this really is different. And it is based on real research.

Previous years were basically people rubbing x then y and then z on their scalps and calling it research.

Histogen says that the hair you grow will last you as long as the previous hairs did. It just how your genes work.


i know that there is a chance for complications...sadly thats true...i just want to believe that there won't be any.

I am very biased in this argument...i really want it to work. But i do believe there is good enough reason for us to put our faith in them

[gmonasco]

Histogen is real growth, without side effects. It should be totally legit.

But even if that's true, as noted above, many issues would still remain. Especially since no proposed treatment can feasibly be tested across someone's lifetime before it's put on the market.

[gmonasco]

So lets all just say the F with it, there will never be a cure.

Hint: Taking someone's reasonable position and restating it as a ridiculous extreme is not a very good discussion technique. It's known as the "straw man" argument.

[KeepTheHair]

yeah guys but seriously.



The difference between today and 10-20 years ago is...clinical trials... Histogen already did them, and they already worked. This isn't the fake ass hairmax LaserScam.


Histogen is real growth, without side effects. It should be totally legit.

I don't see why I have to stop being optimistic.

Histogen is not the only company that seems to be near the finish line either.


I know that it's best to have low expectations...but I prefer to expect something good to happen soon.

[hal]

I do agree with the poster who said that these treatments always seem to be 5 to 10 years away. It is frustrating.

However, I do think real progress is being made on a number of fronts. Maybe most of these will turn up dry. But sooner or later, a viable treatment is going to be available and the patent owners are going to make a FORTUNE.

Ultimately, that's why I think we'll see something. There's one HUGE pot of gold waiting at the end of the hair loss rainbow for the right treatment.

This is what I want to know about Histogen:

It seems that the treatment can not only revive existing follicles but create new ones. That's great, but are the new and old follicles still susceptible to DHT? Will you have to use a drug like Propecia to ward off possible (re) miniaturization?

What about the injections? how many will have to be made? If indeed new follicles are being made, what about placement and hair positioning? My concern is that you have new hairs growing every which way on the scalp and especially the hairline. If that the case, you'd have to very careful about injecting in that area. You'd almost need a surgeon whose well versed in hair transplantation to design a hairline if the person needs it.

Or suppose you did all that and only got about 50% results? your hairline would look pretty weird. Almost like the hair transplants of old.

Will the treatment work on a totally bald area of the scalp? How about the age factor? How about some pictures?

There are lot of questions that need to be answered about this treatment. Hopefully, they are forthcoming.

Hal