All Hope is Not Lost, After All

[Pate]

You can bet Histogen hasn't approved this and the ad is an almost word-for-word plagiarism of their press release so I'm guessing it's a fake.

Histogen's lawyers might have a few things to say about it...

[Duke]

Hsc ad

Hi!

I found some pretty interesting stuff on a german board.

http://metropolis.co.jp/files/2011/07/903-Web-issue-complete.pdf

This is a magazine published in Japan. Nothing special. But on page 2 there is an ad for the "Akai Medical Clinic" in which they actually offer a HISTOGEN TREATMENT! Check it out! Are they doing trials over there or havet hey already entered the market??

[Pate]

No they don't use embryonic stem cells. Quote from their website:

"Histogen's mission is to redefine regenerative medicine by developing a series of high value products without the use of embryonic stem cells or animal products."

(Emphasis mine.)

[boldOz]

Does histogen use "Embryonic stem cells" for research?

[Jundam]

Where'd you find that they're in Phase II? Last I saw, they hadn't even started on Phase III trials.

They were scheduled to begin Phase I/II clinical trials in July this year. Assuming there's been no setbacks that still stands. The interim trial data should be published by the first quarter of next year.

[Jake114]

Nobody really knows the answers to those questions yet. They're still only in phase II which is the next step after proving it is safe and shows signs of working according to the expectations of your concept

Where'd you find that they're in Phase II? Last I saw, they hadn't even started on Phase III trials.

[Jundam]

Hey, yes i have decided now i don't want to go on propecia, i just think it's too much of a risk for me, so now i guess my question is, by the time Histogen is available my hair isn't going to look so great because it seems it's like three or five years away yet, so how much hair can Histogen restore if any, or is it more for people at the stage i'm at now in the early stages of hair loss ?

Or do people just not know it's efficiacy as of yet, i mean it's hard to guage it reading on here as there are so many conflicting opinions, plus i don't have bags of money, but would say 10k be enough or will it just be for people who can afford silly money ?

Nobody really knows the answers to those questions yet. They're still only in phase II which is the next step after proving it is safe and shows signs of working according to the expectations of your concept. As far as price goes I think it will depend on how many injections you need. I could imagine the price range being set according to which stage of the Norwood scale you're at. I.e NW3 is half or 2/3 of the price of NW7. Hard to predict though. I have no idea how much HSC costs to produce and if there is any need for special training to apply it correctly.

[MrRyan]

Hey, yes i have decided now i don't want to go on propecia, i just think it's too much of a risk for me, so now i guess my question is, by the time Histogen is available my hair isn't going to look so great because it seems it's like three or five years away yet, so how much hair can Histogen restore if any, or is it more for people at the stage i'm at now in the early stages of hair loss ?

Or do people just not know it's efficiacy as of yet, i mean it's hard to guage it reading on here as there are so many conflicting opinions, plus i don't have bags of money, but would say 10k be enough or will it just be for people who can afford silly money ?

[Flowers]

Hey. i'm sorry if it seems like i'm going off the subject, but i asked about Histogen in my " introduce yourself post " but it hasn't had many hits so i'll ask a few questions here if you don't mind, firstly i'm at the very early stages of hair loss where only i can really notice it at the moment, i'm in two minds if i should try to wait it out for this treatment and still be able to get good results from it, i went to my doctor to ask about propecia, but he didn't want to give it to me because long term effects are not known, and also told me that DHT is very important for a healthy male.

I don't know if i should get on propecia and help keep my hair full and wait for this to come out because i do not want to be on propecia long term, if Histogen wasn't on the horizon i wouldn't even consider propecia at all, what do you think i should do please, as just don't know which direction to take.

Man I would start off with nizoral and minox (rogaine). And hopefully that can hold you over until a breakthrough. Idk if you're aware but propecia has some pretty terrible side effects (impotence, low sex drive, man tits) and isn't guaranteed to grow hair on everyone who takes it.

[MrRyan]

Hey. i'm sorry if it seems like i'm going off the subject, but i asked about Histogen in my " introduce yourself post " but it hasn't had many hits so i'll ask a few questions here if you don't mind, firstly i'm at the very early stages of hair loss where only i can really notice it at the moment, i'm in two minds if i should try to wait it out for this treatment and still be able to get good results from it, i went to my doctor to ask about propecia, but he didn't want to give it to me because long term effects are not known, and also told me that DHT is very important for a healthy male.

I don't know if i should get on propecia and help keep my hair full and wait for this to come out because i do not want to be on propecia long term, if Histogen wasn't on the horizon i wouldn't even consider propecia at all, what do you think i should do please, as just don't know which direction to take.

[RichardDawkins]

Pretty damn good :-)

[Flowers]

Flowers is correct. If ou really want a full head of hair WITH a serious pattern and not here a NW0 Patch and there a NW4 Patch and over ther diffuse thinning, you should start to embrace stuff like Ghos HST and Coles Acell findings, they will be the future and i have to say "a pretty damn close future"

But Ari and histogen etc they ill only work as fillers sure they will grow hair but i would consider them options to increase your density to a point where surgicl tretaments would cause shockloss.

For a perfect coverage you need around 14.000 Grafts for a NW7 so that he can have an average density of 70 Grafts all around his head.

Right at this point in time, FUE docs and clinics should already be in motion to offer patients the possiblity to test HSt OR FUE with smaller extraction tools and not so depth extractions with Acell.

Yes i am sceptic about Ghos abilities to create a hair line but i am confidentthat other docs can absolutely easily adapt this technique without problems. I mean come on Cole was an extreme sceptic he ws louder then all those anti Acell guys here, but now he is enthusiastic, and i doubt that he fakes something because he just doesnt have to he has many customers and very good results.

Why couldnt they have started to this back in 2008 we would have saved 3 years and maybe we all wouldnt be here together at this day because there would be no reason for that anymore.

I also think, that with Acell in the recipient area, you can reduce the risk of shockloss, even if you crazyly dense pack one square centimeter.

If we can get around an average of 54% right now with no effort at all, i think we can get almost 100% as well with some effort. And when this happens, i am the first in line to book a flight cause for some reasons i really wanna try the Wesley Sneijder look at least once in my life

What does 70 grafts per cm2 look like? I'm guessing pretty good?

[RichardDawkins]

Flowers is correct. If ou really want a full head of hair WITH a serious pattern and not here a NW0 Patch and there a NW4 Patch and over ther diffuse thinning, you should start to embrace stuff like Ghos HST and Coles Acell findings, they will be the future and i have to say "a pretty damn close future"

But Ari and histogen etc they ill only work as fillers sure they will grow hair but i would consider them options to increase your density to a point where surgicl tretaments would cause shockloss.

For a perfect coverage you need around 14.000 Grafts for a NW7 so that he can have an average density of 70 Grafts all around his head.

Right at this point in time, FUE docs and clinics should already be in motion to offer patients the possiblity to test HSt OR FUE with smaller extraction tools and not so depth extractions with Acell.

Yes i am sceptic about Ghos abilities to create a hair line but i am confidentthat other docs can absolutely easily adapt this technique without problems. I mean come on Cole was an extreme sceptic he ws louder then all those anti Acell guys here, but now he is enthusiastic, and i doubt that he fakes something because he just doesnt have to he has many customers and very good results.

Why couldnt they have started to this back in 2008 we would have saved 3 years and maybe we all wouldnt be here together at this day because there would be no reason for that anymore.

I also think, that with Acell in the recipient area, you can reduce the risk of shockloss, even if you crazyly dense pack one square centimeter.

If we can get around an average of 54% right now with no effort at all, i think we can get almost 100% as well with some effort. And when this happens, i am the first in line to book a flight cause for some reasons i really wanna try the Wesley Sneijder look at least once in my life

[Flowers]

I really think that Histogen has the best shot here. It has been known for years that WNT's lead to increased hair growth and finally a company is doing something along those lines. God bless them for it! I can't wait til the day when ineffective shit like Rogaine, Propecia, and hair transplants become obsolete!

And how much longer til it comes out? (Assuming everything goes 100% well..?) I'm telling you the surgical Acell route is the one that will really blossom in the next few years. No injection or pill will give someone a full head of hair anytime soon

[RichardDawkins]

Rogaine and propecia will be obsolete but not hair transplants with regenerative abilities. Which can be used for more density.

btw right now its een not clear what happens to propecia because people are geting away from it more and more