KÉRATENE Alphactive ® Retard

[thechamp]

I found this nettle root apparently stops fin sides

Stinging nettle root apparently blocks the conversion of all three, though I'm not exactly sure to what amount. There are also other aromatase inhibitors out there, which I'm looking into now. I'm honestly still in the process of learning about this, so my knowledge is still developing and is pretty much up to this point. I've already started the nettle root, as well as some topical treatments. My finasteride will be here this week. Once I've been on my program a month or two, I plan on getting tested to check levels of all of the above to make sure nothing is too suppressed or out of whack. I'll adjust from there once I have a snapshot of what's going on in my body

[thechamp]

Armotese inhibator

You probably missed my edit but resveratrol and grape seed extract are both known to inhibit aromatase. Resveratrol will need to be at least 300-500 mg and grape seed extract needs to be at least 300mg from my understanding. Either (or both) taken in one shot once per day.

[AAsuited]

It's Nice that some people like Ryan and JulioGP are running blood tests before the medication and planning doing it after.This iniciative is VERY important , so all of us can start to analyze this in a more scientifical view, not just "guess".Nice move guys :-)

Like I said in my first post, my capsules are arriving in some weeks, I will run complete blood tests before and after 1 month , and will keep the tests during the treatment and will post here as soon as I get the results.

Ryan, 2 weeks after the beggining is enought to mensurate the DHT changes, but if you plan to test other hormones as well, 1 month is more recommended.

[UK_]

Where are you guys (who live in UK) getting your blood tests from?

[vinnytr]

Where are you guys (who live in UK) getting your blood tests from?

I would like to know this as well as the cost of the test ?

[JulioGP]

I've done two blood tests with the use of Saw Palmetto and now I am almost one month without using Saw Palmetto ready to do another blood test that will serve as the baseline for initiating treatment with Kératene and will also monitor month to month tests while using Kératene. Hope to give a great result.

[UK_]

**** this im getting on Fin.

[JulioGP]

**** this im getting on Fin.

Good Luck with the side effects

[AAsuited]

**** this im getting on Fin.

It doesn't matter if your getting on Fin, Saw Palmetto, Kératene or anything else, we are talking about blood tests in Kératene use because it's a new product, but, if you are dealing with oral 5ard inhibitors, blood tests should be protocol....

[thechamp]

What are we looking for

What are we looking for on the blood tests exactly reading if our estrogen is up? And testosterone is down?

[AAsuited]

What are we looking for on the blood tests exactly reading if our estrogen is up? And testosterone is down?

In fact, a complete blood test in the using of 5ard inhibitors includes much more than DHT, Testosterone and estrogen, many others like LH,TSH,Prolactin, etc should be checked.
But, I know checking constantly is not viable to everyone, but at least one "clean" test before treatment and an exams periodically(at least annual blood tests if you are not having side effects) are mandatory.You don't need to become paranoid about the medications, but 5ard inhibitors are much more serious medications than most people think...

About the levels of testosterone and estrogen, the use of "regular" 5ard inhibitors such as fina or dutasteride usually cause higher levels of both in your blood because since some part of the T is not becoming DHT anymore, your T levels get higher, and, consequently, your estrogen.....
This changes can or cannot be in a problematic level, and , besides that, each person respond in a diferent way to hormonal balance chances, so knowing your pre medications levels is very important.

About the Kératene, the company claims it works in a different way than the fina/duta, they say their product don't suppress hormones production and is not a permanent inhibitor of the 5ard, the product is just a "enzyme catalyst inhibitor", so, in their words, the Kératene "glues" in the 5ard for some time, not allowing the T to convert in DHT, so, it don't suppress the production of the 5ard, it just prevents a chemical reaction, all the hormones are still avaiable in your organism.

Considering all of this, and in communications with the company, teorically, with this mechanism, taking the Kératene, you would lower your DHT levels without changing to muck your T and Est levels, what would be a great thing.

Well, let's get to the important point.All of this is what the company claims, not what I'm totally convinced yet, but, to see if in real life everything is what the company claims and shows in their studies, we need complete pre-post blood tests, and this is what I'm (and like I see, others like ryan and JulioGP) planning to do(if someone already did, post here!!!!), and what I recommend to everyone that wants to make a safe and fact based treatment.It would be the best to the person health and also would help the community.This is a very high level board, but we have a 63 pages topic with very little fact and science and a lot of "guesses". Also, there's a lot os experienced users that could help, but, with little well conduced treatments, it's impossible to get deeper conclusions...

[JulioGP]

I see it as extremely important to monitoring with blood tests. Here is a sample of my blood test. I'm sorry, but my table is in Portuguese. December was my base, was not taking anything. In the 1st and 2nd month of Saw Palmetto strangely my DHT increased and my testosterone dropped. It makes me think that the Saw Palmetto is not a 5AR inhibitor, but acts directly in the follicles, but that does not matter here, since we are talking about kératene.




Now I'm doing more one month control / base without taking anything to start Kératene and have a clean base.

[ryan555]

I see it as extremely important to monitoring with blood tests. Here is a sample of my blood test. I'm sorry, but my table is in Portuguese. December was my base, was not taking anything. In the 1st and 2nd month of Saw Palmetto strangely my DHT increased and my testosterone dropped. It makes me think that the Saw Palmetto is not a 5AR inhibitor, but acts directly in the follicles, but that does not matter here, since we are talking about kératene.




Now I'm doing more one month control / base without taking anything to start Kératene and have a clean base.

Julio, did you take the tests at EXACTLY the same time of day? I discovered that hormone levels fluctuate in an extreme way throughout the day, peeking in the morning and dropping significantly later in the day. If the blood draws are not taken at nearly the exact same time, then the results are not accurate at all. As an example, I discovered that my testosterone was 900 when taken in the AM and 550 when taken at 3:30 in the afternoon. I don't know why the labs and doctors always fail to mention this extremely important detail.

[JulioGP]

Yes, EXACTLY the same time of day. Between 7:30am and 8:00am. I always do my blood tests at the same time and in the same laboratory.

Taking Saw Palmetto could not raise my DHT. Testosterone actually has an oscillation during the day (which is not my case, because I did the exams at the same time) but independent of time, DHT could not be higher than the month I took the test base, as taking 320mg a day and saw palmetto were really a 5AR, DHT would be lower and possibly testosterone higher and gave exactly the opposite.

Tests with Kératene showed no variation in testosterone and a drop in DHT when it is taking Kératene, unlike Finasteride that tends to increase testosterone, because if there is less testosterone is converted into DHT, testosterone this "be left" in the blood.. That's what I want to check when my Kératene arrive.

[AAsuited]

Yes, EXACTLY the same time of day. Between 7:30am and 8:00am. I always do my blood tests at the same time and in the same laboratory.

Taking Saw Palmetto could not raise my DHT. Testosterone actually has an oscillation during the day (which is not my case, because I did the exams at the same time) but independent of time, DHT could not be higher than the month I took the test base, as taking 320mg a day and saw palmetto were really a 5AR, DHT would be lower and possibly testosterone higher and gave exactly the opposite.

Tests with Kératene showed no variation in testosterone and a drop in DHT when it is taking Kératene, unlike Finasteride that tends to increase testosterone, because if there is less testosterone is converted into DHT, testosterone this "be left" in the blood.. That's what I want to check when my Kératene arrive.

Nice Julio, perfect pratical example of what we are talking about!!!!

This example also reinforces what I said, how important blood tests are, since some people just start taking saw palmetto or anything else and thinks everything is OK, but things don't work like that....But, as you said, the topic is not about saw palmetto, let's focus to analyze the Kératene as soon as we have the results! :-)