KÉRATENE Alphactive ® Retard

[UK_]

You are on the right track - personally I totally regret that I didn't have my DHT level tested before I started taking the capsules. The reason was that at the time I had used the topicals for a few weeks and was quite happy with them, so I kind of "trusted" the company. I can't really say if - after 2.5 months of taking the capsules - my hairloss has decreased; altogether, I don't really think so. I am still hoping that the increased hairloss that I have seen over the last 3 weeks is a treatment-induced shed, but maybe it's just seasonal, considering that my cats are presently shedding as well

Anyway, I have decided to stay on the capsules until the 6 month mark. If I don't notice any changes up to that time point, I will stop taking the capsules and just continue with the topicals, and hope that allergan releases a bimatoprost-based product in the near future. I will definitely not go back to taking fin, which gave me three months of hell. And I can't use minox because of the cats.

Yes because Bimatoprost has had amazing clinical data where 100% of NW7 were turned to NW1 in 2 hours:

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?play=1&video=3000165616

(forward to 13:00).

[shredder]

You are on the right track - personally I totally regret that I didn't have my DHT level tested before I started taking the capsules. The reason was that at the time I had used the topicals for a few weeks and was quite happy with them, so I kind of "trusted" the company. I can't really say if - after 2.5 months of taking the capsules - my hairloss has decreased; altogether, I don't really think so. I am still hoping that the increased hairloss that I have seen over the last 3 weeks is a treatment-induced shed, but maybe it's just seasonal, considering that my cats are presently shedding as well

Anyway, I have decided to stay on the capsules until the 6 month mark. If I don't notice any changes up to that time point, I will stop taking the capsules and just continue with the topicals, and hope that allergan releases a bimatoprost-based product in the near future. I will definitely not go back to taking fin, which gave me three months of hell. And I can't use minox because of the cats.

Well I took the bait and ordered some of this stuff. The studies are encouraging but something seems a little "off" about what I have read online. First off, there are multiple people posting positive reviews about the product on different forums online and most of them have only posted on that single topic. The one accomplished poster who had his DHT tested said it stayed the same. They also all have a very similar tone - like they're trying too hard to be a "bra" to relate to the other posters. Whatever, bottom line is, I am getting my dht tested before and then a couple of weeks after. If its considerably lower, I'll stay on it, otherwise I'll dump it. I'll post my results.

[vinnytr]

Well I took the bait and ordered some of this stuff. The studies are encouraging but something seems a little "off" about what I have read online. First off, there are multiple people posting positive reviews about the product on different forums online and most of them have only posted on that single topic. The one accomplished poster who had his DHT tested said it stayed the same. They also all have a very similar tone - like they're trying too hard to be a "bra" to relate to the other posters. Whatever, bottom line is, I am getting my dht tested before and then a couple of weeks after. If its considerably lower, I'll stay on it, otherwise I'll dump it. I'll post my results.

sadly this happens ^^

Are you based in the uk ? Any ideas where you will get the DHT test done ?

[ryan555]

Well I took the bait and ordered some of this stuff. The studies are encouraging but something seems a little "off" about what I have read online. First off, there are multiple people posting positive reviews about the product on different forums online and most of them have only posted on that single topic. The one accomplished poster who had his DHT tested said it stayed the same. They also all have a very similar tone - like they're trying too hard to be a "bra" to relate to the other posters. Whatever, bottom line is, I am getting my dht tested before and then a couple of weeks after. If its considerably lower, I'll stay on it, otherwise I'll dump it. I'll post my results.

[HARIRI]

Have there been any clinical trials performed for aplhactive retard?

This is so far the best clinical trial I have seen for Keratene Alphactive Retard made by the mother company Hairclinics

http://www.prohairclinic.com/sites/default/files/files/images/Keratene-Clinical-Results-Retard_protected.pdf

Also this small crinical trial made by University of Gent.

http://www.prohairclinic.com/en/news/dht-lowering-properties-keratene-retard-alternative-finasteride

[Jairus]

Have there been any clinical trials performed for aplhactive retard?

[HARIRI]

Do you see any benefits from this ? Are you using other stuff ?

Still interested but very sceptical about this

Yes I noticed less hair on my fingers while shampooing every morning. I'm only using Minoxidil once a day with it and nothing more. I replaced my Saw Palemtto 500mg intake with Keratene Alphactive Retard.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

hey guys how are you doing on kerratene? i am thinking to start it too.

can we somewhere pics before after?


this thing about no sex sides its true and sure?

i am planing to visit endocrin Dr and have blood tests before i start and everywhile to monitor dht,

what you think?

[vinnytr]

I didnt have any sides for almost 2 months so I decided to take the plunge and upgrade my intake to the recommended one which two capsules a day. Lets hope that it will be as effective as Propecia or even half. Its better than nothing to me

Do you see any benefits from this ? Are you using other stuff ?

Still interested but very sceptical about this

[HARIRI]

Any updates from people using this?

I didnt have any sides for almost 2 months so I decided to take the plunge and upgrade my intake to the recommended one which two capsules a day. Lets hope that it will be as effective as Propecia or even half. Its better than nothing to me

[DifferentLine]

Any updates from people using this?

[JulioGP]

The guy you emailed doesn't know the answer. I emailed him about your enquiry:

"I was wondering how the product Keratene Alphaactive Retard works without affecting T levels? I have read a response from a similar inquiry, posted here:" If you prevent the reaction between the sources (5ard and T), you prevent the formation of DHT, and as such you “reduce” the DHT level.
However, this does not automatically mean that you reduce T or 5ard.
In fact, you simply prevent a chemical reaction from happening, without affecting the sources.
In other words, the product does not affect the sources, because it’s not needed.
It only prevents a chemical reaction between the sources. "

However, I do not understand why limiting a chemical reaction would not still lead to increased T levels? Regardless of whether you are inhibiting the enzyme 5ard or not allowing a reaction to occur, the net result would be increased T, would it not in comparison with people in whom the DHT is produced? It'd be great if you could shed some light on this."

and his response was:


"in terms of liner logic, your statement seems to be correct.
However, the production of T is regulated by different mechanisms.
The chemical reaction you describe has zero impact on the actual levels of T.
For our tests, the level of T remained clinically unchanged, by this meaning the differences between it before and after levels comply with the limits which are considered biologically normal fluctuations, between tests.
You should contact a university professor of endocrinology or a endocrinological biologist that can offer you a more literal and adequate explanation."

In other words, the trials showed no change, so he is assuming there is no change in T levels: this could be (and in fact WAS) true given the smaller reduction in DHT, but the explanation is not known by him. Still, not really bad news given the trial, but you should obviously be wary of side effects.

if in fact there was no variation in testosterone levels, would be perfect.

[Conpecia]

I got off Propecia at around the end of Feb/early March, I would say my gyno went down slightly in the incoming weeks (it was never a huge deal to begin with--puffy nipples and some growth, but I could tell that if I didn't get off of Propecia, it could definitely become a full blown case).

Since being on it, I still have puffy nipples (the test for this being that my upper body looks considerably more sculpted after a cold shower) and slight fat around the chest area, but I wouldn't say that it's increased.

Again though, I think the blood tests are crucial here which is why I'm pissed that I didn't get them done the right way the first time. I've read the official study and all the participants had high initial DHT values, so if you have that, I think Keratene should work well for you, I do believe it's pretty safe based off my limited experience so far.

Well, unfortunately my gyno from propecia hasn't gone anywhere for a pretty long while, I'm pushing four months since my last propecia dose. Looks like I'll have to man up and do the letro regimen. I'm just gonna stick to minox until the gyno is killed off. I'm confident that something major is on the way with BNP.

[Californication]

Friends who are testing the Kératene and know a little of these reactions.

In your blood tests was no change in testosterone levels? In tests published by the company, the testosterone levels did not change even with reduction of DHT. Where did the testosterone?

In other words, if no testosterone is discarded and LESS DHT was produced, how it will not have more testosterone in the blood?! Where did that would transoformar Testosterone to DHT?!

Weird and am trying to find a technical explanation for this. Does anyone know the answer?

The guy you emailed doesn't know the answer. I emailed him about your enquiry:

"I was wondering how the product Keratene Alphaactive Retard works without affecting T levels? I have read a response from a similar inquiry, posted here:" If you prevent the reaction between the sources (5ard and T), you prevent the formation of DHT, and as such you “reduce” the DHT level.
However, this does not automatically mean that you reduce T or 5ard.
In fact, you simply prevent a chemical reaction from happening, without affecting the sources.
In other words, the product does not affect the sources, because it’s not needed.
It only prevents a chemical reaction between the sources. "

However, I do not understand why limiting a chemical reaction would not still lead to increased T levels? Regardless of whether you are inhibiting the enzyme 5ard or not allowing a reaction to occur, the net result would be increased T, would it not in comparison with people in whom the DHT is produced? It'd be great if you could shed some light on this."

and his response was:


"in terms of liner logic, your statement seems to be correct.
However, the production of T is regulated by different mechanisms.
The chemical reaction you describe has zero impact on the actual levels of T.
For our tests, the level of T remained clinically unchanged, by this meaning the differences between it before and after levels comply with the limits which are considered biologically normal fluctuations, between tests.
You should contact a university professor of endocrinology or a endocrinological biologist that can offer you a more literal and adequate explanation."

In other words, the trials showed no change, so he is assuming there is no change in T levels: this could be (and in fact WAS) true given the smaller reduction in DHT, but the explanation is not known by him. Still, not really bad news given the trial, but you should obviously be wary of side effects.

[Californication]

Has it affected your gyno at all?

I got off Propecia at around the end of Feb/early March, I would say my gyno went down slightly in the incoming weeks (it was never a huge deal to begin with--puffy nipples and some growth, but I could tell that if I didn't get off of Propecia, it could definitely become a full blown case).

Since being on it, I still have puffy nipples (the test for this being that my upper body looks considerably more sculpted after a cold shower) and slight fat around the chest area, but I wouldn't say that it's increased.

Again though, I think the blood tests are crucial here which is why I'm pissed that I didn't get them done the right way the first time. I've read the official study and all the participants had high initial DHT values, so if you have that, I think Keratene should work well for you, I do believe it's pretty safe based off my limited experience so far.