Histogen at the ISHRS conference

[nativer]

Where are the pics of the hot girls, so I can join this jerk off fest.

47 of pages of B.S. on theories and what not...

I'm starting a school, and if you spend 1 month on a hairloss forum you get a honorary degree in organic chem

[534623]

Ironman...no one cares about your analysis.

Are you sure? How about the following analysis ...

http://youtu.be/khVm4wSpzjo

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When Dr. Cole returned from the Bahamas, he told me about the Histogen presentation he attended there. He was unimpressed because of the before and after images. Many of you are familiar with the strategy of obscuring details with a photo flash in before images and presenting the after images without photo flash. This of course should be avoided at all costs, especially if you are trying to promote a breakthrough medical technology. This statement should not be taken to imply that representatives of Histogen deliberately presented misleading photo evidence of hair growth. On the other hand if you ever present a medical breakthrough to a sophisticated audience like doctors, by all means present the highest quality images available.
Here is the link to Histogen's PDF they have posted:

http://www.histogen.com/downloads/sid_2012_HSC_Final.pdf

Now this PDF is really a huge pixel dimension document. When opened and rasterized in PhotoShop, it reveals some relatively large dimension before and after images. To many people PhotoShop is synonymous with photo fakery. That is not necessarily the case. PhotoShop CAN be used to fake photos, but the newer versions have advanced technology that can find pixels obscured by a flash for instance. So PhotoShop has some very important and legitimate uses.

Histogen may very well be a breakthrough product, but Dr. Cole was unimpressed with the presentation because of the photo flash on the before images. On the bottom left image, I was able to correct the pixel contrast on the original before photo (From the PDF) and allow hair to become visible using "Shadow Highlight" that was obscured by the flash in the before. This is a good example of how a before image could be enhanced to look better than an after image.

Men with hair loss should always be skeptical of doctors whose "before" images have a bright flash indicated by a bright white area of scalp and the after images show an accurate scalp coloration.

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[2020]

what I've heard:

Two independently controlled trials.
Within 12 weeks, statistically significant new amount of new mature hairs started growing.
New hair continues to grow up to a year with one set of injections.

Interviewer starts saying that she's happy that it works for women too - Gail corrects her - "it works EXTREMELY well for women"...

okay.... still, their pictures are awful and their 2016 US date is way too early given the current progress she showed us.

We will have self-driving cars within the next 5 years... Someone get google to start working on this shit. It's probably worth just as much.

Iron_man, why aren't you talking about their newly released Regenica? It's very unlikely for Histogen to try and scam us all... Pictures are definitely real. Poor results, but definitely real.

[hellouser]

I dont care how much bickering goes on in this forum, but I am super stoked about Histogen and Aderans coming up within the next few years.

[534623]

We will have self-driving cars within the next 5 years...

No. My new (IronMan-)car is currently built in Ohio, United States. And I still have to wait for it around 2-3 years…

http://youtu.be/vOI7Odt4mYo

http://youtu.be/B0lIuS-P2a4

But guess what – I still must drive it myself…

[2020]

Iron_man what are you talking about? I'm simply pointing out how incompetent and slow medical industry is... maybe we should take everyone from Google, Facebook, Microsoft and put them to work on this. Everything would be cured within the decade guaranteed...

[534623]

Iron_man what are you talking about? I'm simply pointing out how incompetent and slow medical industry is... maybe we should take everyone from Google, Facebook, Microsoft and put them to work on this. Everything would be cured within the decade guaranteed...

I know what you mean. I think it's -in general- too risky for researchers to look "too deep" into this very complex "hair-follicle-biology-thingy". It simply costs them too much time and money. And the other obstacle is, that too many (sometimes really useless) scientists out there block each other via an increasing number of "hairloss-cure-patents". I think most scientists out there are simply not motivated enough. But I also think that most of them completely ignore a very important point:
IF you completely understand hair follicle biology and if you're able to influence or to cure this or that within this biology - you WILL also be able to understand and to cure many other (far more important, but much more difficult to study!) organs and diseases in the body. The latter is THE reason why I really like hair science.

[Kiwi]

are you sure? How about the following analysis ...

http://youtu.be/khvm4wspzjo

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when dr. Cole returned from the bahamas, he told me about the histogen presentation he attended there. He was unimpressed because of the before and after images. Many of you are familiar with the strategy of obscuring details with a photo flash in before images and presenting the after images without photo flash. This of course should be avoided at all costs, especially if you are trying to promote a breakthrough medical technology. This statement should not be taken to imply that representatives of histogen deliberately presented misleading photo evidence of hair growth. On the other hand if you ever present a medical breakthrough to a sophisticated audience like doctors, by all means present the highest quality images available.
Here is the link to histogen's pdf they have posted:

http://www.histogen.com/downloads/sid_2012_hsc_final.pdf

now this pdf is really a huge pixel dimension document. When opened and rasterized in photoshop, it reveals some relatively large dimension before and after images. To many people photoshop is synonymous with photo fakery. That is not necessarily the case. Photoshop can be used to fake photos, but the newer versions have advanced technology that can find pixels obscured by a flash for instance. So photoshop has some very important and legitimate uses.

Histogen may very well be a breakthrough product, but dr. Cole was unimpressed with the presentation because of the photo flash on the before images. On the bottom left image, i was able to correct the pixel contrast on the original before photo (from the pdf) and allow hair to become visible using "shadow highlight" that was obscured by the flash in the before. This is a good example of how a before image could be enhanced to look better than an after image.

Men with hair loss should always be skeptical of doctors whose "before" images have a bright flash indicated by a bright white area of scalp and the after images show an accurate scalp coloration.

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who cares what dr cole has to say?!?!?!?!?

[534623]

who cares what dr cole has to say?!?!?!?!?

He just says what all the others also could see and hear...

[Scientalk56]

"It is still unknown if this stimulated hair will in fact can keep growing."

We can conclude two things:
1. "There is big significant terminal hair regrowth"
2. We don't know yet if the hair will keep growing.

What's the problem of not knowing something? That what science is about - discovering things.
Minoxidil has the ability to delay the baldness process, but no one knows for sure How it does that.

You have two options:
1. be a scientist and make a drug of your own for regrowing hair
2. do nothing...

Have a good day..

[UK Boy]

He just says what all the others also could see and hear...

OMG! Ironman actually posted something informative and interesting - although I don't think he intended it in that way. He was just trying to use it to back up the doubts of Dr. Cole but I'm actually interested to read this article. It actually gives us a bit of good news about what Dr. Washenik said about Aderans progress at the conference - the article confirms they were in the process of getting the go ahead for Phase III and that was back in October! Also it doesn't say that there's no evidence of Histogen growing hair, it just says it has yet to prove how long the new hairs will last for. Seems like good news so thanks for that Ironman How comes we haven't seen this article before now?

[534623]

OMG! Ironman actually posted something informative and interesting -

shit - I forgot to cut out all the other crap.

What in the world have I done ...

[Scientalk56]

shit - i forgot to cut out all the other crap.

what in the world have i done ...

lol ................

[UK Boy]

shit - I forgot to cut out all the other crap.

What in the world have I done ...

Haha, looks like the Ironman's going soft! The article also goes on to talk about Luis Garza's presentation regarding PDG2, I'd like to know what it said about that but it cuts off. This is much more the kind of conference summary that I wanted, doesn't give loads of info but at least it appears to mention each presentation equally rather than breezing over cutting edge stuff and giving a detailed, word for word coverage of FUE Vs.FUT.

[UK Boy]

shit - I forgot to cut out all the other crap.

What in the world have I done ...

Haha, looks like the Ironman's going soft! The article also goes on to talk about Luis Garza's presentation regarding PDG2, I'd like to know what it said about that but it cuts off. This is much more the kind of conference summary that I wanted, doesn't give loads of info but at least it appears to mention each presentation equally rather than breezing over cutting edge stuff and giving a detailed, word for word coverage of FUE Vs.FUT.