New Stemcell Treatment Photos... wow?

[bananana]

I don't think it's ok how some people here talk about Dr. Nigam. I don't know if his treatment is legit or not, nobody knows. So it's totally inappropriate to insult him or any person on this forum. One simply does not talk like this to a person. Stop acting like kids.
I don't know much about his treatment, neither am I interested. I just don't think that conversations should be held in such a way. Don't ruin this forum.

100% agreed with you.
We ought to be grown men, no, gentlemen and keep a civil way of talk.
Bashing and insulting wont get anyone anywhere

[HARIRI]

I strongly agree with Bananana. We should be civilized and never cross red lines. Even if Dr. Nigam is not legit, we can just ignore instead of stepping so low and use harsh words. I'm sure Spencer Kobren wouldn't like this. Let the scientific questions proves whether Dr. Nigam is legit or not. That is the mature way of finding out the truth.

[Artista]

I agree with HARIRI, Im glad to see that drnigams is still active here.
I will respectfully ask this-
DrNigams how do you EXPLAIN these photos ? It is obviously the same photo used in both the 'before and after' shots .

If you look at the persons left side in the 'before' photo ,,the hair outline ,from ear to top, is identical to the 'after' photo. Not a good sign at all for Dr Nigam....!!!!
(same goes for his right side)

[didi]

webdesigner screwd dr nigam big time

[drnigams]

Dear ARTISTA,you have been posting the same pic again and again.I have already apologised for the mistake by my web developer last month(which you want me to say that, it is me who did it,which is not true,but u are after me to say so.).Neither do i blame you, for being critical regarding the photo.The 5 recent pics of HM posted by me in last 10 days, had been commented as at least ok, in my before after section of HM,even by the hardest critic on the forum like moopookoo,gc(who really helped me improve on web based photos.I am not a photographer or web developer.Anyway just bought a new lense for SLR camera with macro and super macro mode with oblique zoom ).The best way to counter your post,is ,i ssuppose, to continously post at least 20 more photos of HM ,to which u can say at least ok.Have just posted my pics, while working on my own stemcells,at my lab,including the pics of my multiplying mesenchymal stemcells,and few pics of my clinic,will post more tommorow.And yes one of the forum member(OBI) from saudi arabia,will be visiting me tommorow,u can ask him to scan me ,my clinic,my patients and my HM lab.Let me tell u ,hairdoubling with HM will be a big step forward in 2013,as a major breakthrough, for the partial cure of baldness,either from drnigam's or any other doctor or lab.Dr. lauster's team, airticketsand schedule is confirmed today for visit to my clinic, on 27th jan2013.I don't focus on foul language of certain members ,but always believed in keeping critics around...i respect and love u all..! From 1st jan,u can follow my scientific paper study progress on unique hair doubling and HM.HOPE we can move positively forward...

[Artista]

DrNigam , I appreciate your response and I will consider your explanation.
I am not attempting to be disrespectful or insulting but I have two issues with your explanation to my comment.
#1) Why would you NOT pre-approve ANY images that would represent YOUR works.
#2) Why would a web developer purposely take it upon him/herself to ALTER a photograph,(essentially lying) to enhance YOUR works without your pre-approval?
Was this 'web developer' actually hired by you to do the work? If so,does this person still work for you?
Very hard to accept, Im sorry.

[neversaynever]

Dear ARTISTA,you have been posting the same pic again and again.I have already apologised for the mistake by my web developer last month(which you want me to say that, it is me who did it,which is not true,but u are after me to say so.).Neither do i blame you, for being critical regarding the photo.The 5 recent pics of HM posted by me in last 10 days, had been commented as at least ok, in my before after section of HM,even by the hardest critic on the forum like moopookoo,gc(who really helped me improve on web based photos.I am not a photographer or web developer.Anyway just bought a new lense for SLR camera with macro and super macro mode with oblique zoom ).The best way to counter your post,is ,i ssuppose, to continously post at least 20 more photos of HM ,to which u can say at least ok.Have just posted my pics, while working on my own stemcells,at my lab,including the pics of my multiplying mesenchymal stemcells,and few pics of my clinic,will post more tommorow.And yes one of the forum member(OBI) from saudi arabia,will be visiting me tommorow,u can ask him to scan me ,my clinic,my patients and my HM lab.Let me tell u ,hairdoubling with HM will be a big step forward in 2013,as a major breakthrough, for the partial cure of baldness,either from drnigam's or any other doctor or lab.Dr. lauster's team, airticketsand schedule is confirmed today for visit to my clinic, on 27th jan2013.I don't focus on foul language of certain members ,but always believed in keeping critics around...i respect and love u all..! From 1st jan,u can follow my scientific paper study progress on unique hair doubling and HM.HOPE we can move positively forward...

Dr Nigam, will all due respect, many people will not see those photos as a mistake. They will see it as fraud. A mistake and fraud are two very different things.

[neversaynever]

I strongly agree with Bananana. We should be civilized and never cross red lines. Even if Dr. Nigam is not legit, we can just ignore instead of stepping so low and use harsh words. I'm sure Spencer Kobren wouldn't like this. Let the scientific questions proves whether Dr. Nigam is legit or not. That is the mature way of finding out the truth.

+1

Abusive people need to stay away from the thread

[neversaynever]

Dear ARTISTA,you have been posting the same pic again and again.I have already apologised for the mistake by my web developer last month(which you want me to say that, it is me who did it,which is not true,but u are after me to say so.).Neither do i blame you, for being critical regarding the photo.The 5 recent pics of HM posted by me in last 10 days, had been commented as at least ok, in my before after section of HM,even by the hardest critic on the forum like moopookoo,gc(who really helped me improve on web based photos.I am not a photographer or web developer.Anyway just bought a new lense for SLR camera with macro and super macro mode with oblique zoom ).The best way to counter your post,is ,i ssuppose, to continously post at least 20 more photos of HM ,to which u can say at least ok.Have just posted my pics, while working on my own stemcells,at my lab,including the pics of my multiplying mesenchymal stemcells,and few pics of my clinic,will post more tommorow.And yes one of the forum member(OBI) from saudi arabia,will be visiting me tommorow,u can ask him to scan me ,my clinic,my patients and my HM lab.Let me tell u ,hairdoubling with HM will be a big step forward in 2013,as a major breakthrough, for the partial cure of baldness,either from drnigam's or any other doctor or lab.Dr. lauster's team, airticketsand schedule is confirmed today for visit to my clinic, on 27th jan2013.I don't focus on foul language of certain members ,but always believed in keeping critics around...i respect and love u all..! From 1st jan,u can follow my scientific paper study progress on unique hair doubling and HM.HOPE we can move positively forward...

This is nice progress into this 'investigation'. We look forward to reading your scientific paper and progress with OBI. I must say that you started very badly on these forums, but things are improving.

A big "hmmmmm'

[neversaynever]

I must admit, this is starting to get my interest. Will have to wait for those published papers, new website, more photos.

Suspicious but curious and hopeful.

Not sure what to make of the new photos of Nigam in the lab. But at least its progress

[Gjm127]

Hadn't seen that picture before but it's quite ridiculous if you ask me... Dr. Nigam's gonna need to step up his game to prove us wrong about this whole procedure.

[drnigams]

Dear Artista and Neversaynever,
Let me tell you exactly what happened and then it is upto you to decide. Let me give you an overview of how and in what enviroment my clinic functions here in Mumbai, its a totally different market from where you come from.
Majority of the patients who come to my clinic are through print advertisements and word of mouth. India is a country with a population of 1.2 billion. At any given point of time there are 20 patients with their friend or relatives at the clinic, which is open for 12 hours a day, 365 days a year. These patients either undergo hair multiplication which has picked up only in the last 1 year, FUE and FUT.Majority of the work was FUE and FUT, gradually there is more demand for HM and many of the patients go for the combination of HM and FUE.
I reach the clinic at 9 in the morning, take a round of 15 hair transplant beds on 1st and 2nd floor of my clinic, go through the review of pre-operative profile which my assistant has already taken, answer concerns and queries of these patients, talk to my doctor responsible for follow-up of the patients and check his daily report about the follow-up of the patients and discuss with him certain cases which needs my special advice.
I then, visit the accounts department, purchase and logistics department, patient counselling and patient care executive department and meet admin, front desk and HR, give instructions to media, graphic design and web executives. I then return to my consulting room on ground floor, talk to patients on phone, meet the patients one on one for consultations and follow-up with them. In-between, I again take 2 more rounds to check the hair line, density, grafts preservation, microscopic inspection of quality of grafts, work on pain-relieving and anxiety of certain patients, sign loads of documents and cheques.
Give 2 hrs. everyday to the tissue engineers, bio-technologist, cell biologist and exchange with them, various research articles and findings which they have selected for me for my opinion on how to increase the effectiveness of HM.
Since internet connectivity in India is not as high as western world, patients take the decision after meeting the doctor, his credibility in media, his certification, his infrastructure and most importantly by talking to,the 15-20 patients sitting at the clinic lobby, at any given time, while waiting for the consultation. I always believed empty vessels make more noise than filled vessels. The patients here in India and even many from overseas ask the direct question... 'Will I get hair on my head and what is the guarantee' and also ask what about my investment if I don't get hair, will it pain, is there any side-effect. And they always look for credibility of the doctor in the media, patients rush at the clinic, his international tie-ups and his qualifications. It will be confusing to them, if I talk too much technical.
Now, coming to your question. With the explanation of above routine and how our patients judge us, I hardly paid any attention to my website but briefly gave instruction about different pages including before/after photo page from where you picked-up this photo to the graphic designer and web-developer who are 21 and 23 yrs old. It was my mistake that I gave them additional responsibility of calling up to the data base of HM, FUE and FUT patients for clicking follow-up pics also. Since they were not meant for this additional job, they could not give me the results in time, I was angry with them and pushing them hard, that I was not happy with the quality of pics what I wanted. It is you and Moopookoo who pointed out about this picture to me through the forum. The graphic designer is an outsourced young guy, I did not want him to lose his job since I had given him assignment outside his jurisdiction. Now he is working under a senior guy recently recruited. And you and many others very well know that its just a month we have a full time photographer with a mini-studio with special macro and super macro lenses bought today. This all hard work is for all of you and automatically for my own organisation.
With due respect to the question you have raised. I am sorry, I have no explanation beyond this ..

[drnigams]

Dear J,
Kindly go through 1 week old before/after pics under HM section of the website.

[Thinning@30]

Just to recap, no clinical trials have been completed, Dr. Nigam has not yet published his findings, to date there has been no meaningful peer review of his work. The only "evidence" we have of an effective treatment are anecdotes and a few poor quality photos that were not taken under controlled conditions. Dr. Nigam himself has admitted that one of the photos that purported to show improvement was in fact falsified. Yet Dr. Nigam operates a clinic and is selling this unproven treatment to patients.

The explanation for the falsified picture is laughable. Dr. Nigam expects us to believe that the technician was lazy and found it easier to photoshop the before picture rather than post the actual after image? And the highly internet-active Dr. Nigam claims he didn't notice at the time, because he wasn't paying attention to clinic's website, even though his clinic's reputation is of paramount concern (not to mention the fact that in some jurisdictions this type of false advertizing would open the Dr. up to civil and criminal penalties). And Dr. Nigam does not want to fire this person?

[didi]

would be interesting to hear webdesigners side of story, this is unheard of, webdesigner wouldnt photoshop images unless advized by site owner..

and didnt you say that guy in the photo had his top shaved before procedure, then later on you admitted it was shoped?

why did you say it was shaved or you meant shaved with photoshop?