New Stemcell Treatment Photos... wow?

[534623]

One guy on another forum pointed out Wesley Sneijder was a big deal, and how I was probably just being a narrow minded American for not seeing it so I actually looked up his contract and saw that he signed with Inter in 2010 for 6 million euro a season, and thats convincing, but I want to point out that my only celebrity evidence from Gho as an American is a 6 million euro contract with Inter. I could trust you guys that you've seen the difference in Sneijder's hair cut this year, but I've seen some people convinced of some pretty crazy stuff on this forum so thats not much to go on.

And I just realized today it wasn't even Wesley Sneijder's picture I saw on the Hasci site back then. It was a totally different footballer named Dean Saunders, and Dean Saunders was not nearly as big as Wesley Sneijder so we didn't have all that much celebrity info to go on with Gho two years ago.

My point is ...

My point is, that Mr. Dean Saunders is a great footballer - and in this video, for instance, you can see him as a super skilled soccer player ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9wRkDV_Yzk

And finally, let me guess - Mr. Wesley Sneijder is, in fact, an American cosmetic surgeon, who found out (after decades of hard-core research), that scarless FUE is possible.

[drnigams]

This is what i can offer him as on today,1)what is my hair activation and multiplication procedure2)What is my clinical experience regarding hair regrowth till now,3)The latest pics on my website of HM 4)Details about me ,my team and my lab.5) compare with aderans,histogen,dr.gho,acell.6) availability of successful patients to meet in person or on skype.7)invitation to spencer to visit my clinic and lab.8)Legalities of HM with my FDA licence .
These are the requirenments ,i don't have as on today,but should be there in the near future in coming months,there is nothing to hide.
1)scientific publication in a peer reveived journal2)well documented case studies on my website
This is it.Let spencer decide, whether to have first phase of discussion on HM these points now and than followed up with further discussion on HM 8 monthe down the line around ISHRS oct. conference.OR have a discussion after oct.2013.

[StinkySmurf]

why he thinks cultured DP cells will fail and alot more stuff.

Did he give any opinion whatsoever on cultured DP cells?

Thanks!

[neversaynever]

Why? Did you tell him that you're a stem cell expert? Are you one?
And what exactly did you expect to hear? Whether or not hair follicle stem cells are able to produce hair follicles? pfffffft...

Why? Because he was punching holes into my head so I thought id start a conversation. Why? Because hes an expert an I am not, so I thought he might have interesting things to say.

I was asking him about recent discoveries such as the PGd2 thing, and the thing about signals from cells in the fat layer of the skin, his opinions of histogen, his own ongoing studies and research, why he thinks cultured DP cells will fail and alot more stuff. Didn't get an answers, but I doubt any researcher would answer (even if they had the answers). Its not in their interests. Experts won't divulge detailed information to the average joe (which is the point I'm making).

You really are a strange little man. Armed with knowledge but obviously lacking the social skills that come from having a social life ie. Friends, a girlfriend, anything...

Whats wrong with you? Do you spend your entire life going forum to forum hunting down Gho comments? It's really pathetic. Don't you want more for yourself?

[534623]

Thats not the point. Jesus. The point I was making was that I was asking questions and he just kept giving me vague answers. Never any details. So perhaps its a trait in this field.

Why? Did you tell him that you're a stem cell expert? Are you one?
And what exactly did you expect to hear? Whether or not hair follicle stem cells are able to produce hair follicles? pfffffft...

[neversaynever]

hmmm - could you see any "consistent results" during the past decade?

Thats not the point. Jesus. The point I was making was that I was asking questions and he just kept giving me vague answers. Never any details. So perhaps its a trait in this field.

[534623]

But in his defense, when i was asking Gho a million questions about cells and the like, he didn't give me a single clear answer.

Just the usual "DP cells will give inconsistent results". The same thing hes been saying for a decade.

hmmm - could you see any "consistent results" during the past decade?

[neversaynever]

I've yet to see a single answer to a technical question that makes me think "oh, that's new info!".

But in his defense, when i was asking Gho a million questions about cells and the like, he didn't give me a single clear answer.

Just the usual "DP cells will give inconsistent results". The same thing hes been saying for a decade.

I'll visit Nigam in febuary

[neversaynever]

I pointed this out once in another forum already, but the first time I went to the Hasci website I did not see pictures of celebrities. What I saw made me think of an infomercial because I'm an American and those were European celebrities. One guy on another forum pointed out Wesley Sneijder was a big deal, and how I was probably just being a narrow minded American for not seeing it so I actually looked up his contract and saw that he signed with Inter in 2010 for 6 million euro a season, and thats convincing, but I want to point out that my only celebrity evidence from Gho as an American is a 6 million euro contract with Inter. I could trust you guys that you've seen the difference in Sneijder's hair cut this year, but I've seen some people convinced of some pretty crazy stuff on this forum so thats not much to go on.

And I just realized today it wasn't even Wesley Sneijder's picture I saw on the Hasci site back then. It was a totally different footballer named Dean Saunders, and Dean Saunders was not nearly as big as Wesley Sneijder so we didn't have all that much celebrity info to go on with Gho two years ago.

My point is that Dr. Nigam already has celebrity photos, but they're Indian celebrities so we need some Indian nationals to step up and challenge him on the photos and press clippings on his website, and then no matter what emerges from that dialogue, you have to accept that it's not going to be a silver bullet because India is just too far culturally from USA and EU for Indian celebrities to carry exactly the same weight here.

Indian consumers are not as critical as their western counterparts. For example, numerous threads discussing Sneijders hair. You wont find much, if anything, in indian forums discussing celebrity HT or HM results with a critical eye. A big indicator of this is the lack of proof he has. His average customer obviously doesn't require telling proof or explanation before they hand over cash.

Been watching Sneijder play football for many many years and yes, his hair looks better. But there is no doubt he had concealer during the Euro championships. I dont believe celebrity examples hold much weight in terms of the results you or I might achieve.

When gho was telling us all about HST, he explained it. I understood from his explanation what HST involves. Their is science backing him (not only his own studies). Plus he has patents in place, and lives in a country where such a fake service would put him out of business once exposed. There was even a court case in which the conclusion was that Gho is doing exactly what he says hes doing.

Nigam has hit us with fake pictures, alot of plagerism, alot of vague answers, but I dont think he is trying to deceive us. What I find frustrating is that he doesnt seem to understand what he will need to present his work to a wider, international audience.

I've always wondered why noone tackles the Gho approach themselves. How hard is it? Extract a follicle, cut in the right place, re-implant both parts, and see if they grow...

Nigam claims to be doing just that but IMO in a very 'loose' manner. For example, Aderans multiply cells and developed special tools to inject the scalp numerous times, without a traditional needle. Nigam multiplies and probably injects using a standard needle. He lacks that refinement that we demand in europe and the states. That lack of refinement (evident in his explanations, website, pictures, and methods) is telling of the customer he deals with on a daily basis. I find it hard to imagine Nigam releasing a scientific publication, from what we have seen from him so far. If he can't understand the process of counting hairs (surely important for hairloss treatments?!), how on earth will he discuss his work with spencer?

I dont think he will understand what we would consider photographic evidence. Someone will have to go out there and expose it all for what it is. I can visit him soon. I somehow doubt he will convince me to have HM with him, but I'm open enough to listen.

[One]

I want an interview with Spencer so I can hear Dr. Nigam speak off-the-cuff in an impromptu fashion about hair transplants, hair doubling, and hair multiplication.

Plenty of folks suspect Dr. Nigam is nothing more than copy-paste artist who fools people by taking his time to piece intelligent sounding answers together from sources on the Internet, and a first interview with Spencer will tell us more in this regard even if it doesn't give us the final proof we seek.

People are looking for silver bullets, but I don't think we're gonna find a single piece of evidence that closes this case. It's gonna take patience.

I agree. We can't want everything immediately; Nigam, he says, started now evidence to take more scientific proofs.

A meeting with Spancer will shed more light on this matter, and put more world attention, if it deserves.

[StinkySmurf]

Celebrity Photos

dr gho has done celebrities and many forum non celebrities and people are still sceptical..

I pointed this out once in another forum already, but the first time I went to the Hasci website I did not see pictures of celebrities. What I saw made me think of an infomercial because I'm an American and those were European celebrities. One guy on another forum pointed out Wesley Sneijder was a big deal, and how I was probably just being a narrow minded American for not seeing it so I actually looked up his contract and saw that he signed with Inter in 2010 for 6 million euro a season, and thats convincing, but I want to point out that my only celebrity evidence from Gho as an American is a 6 million euro contract with Inter. I could trust you guys that you've seen the difference in Sneijder's hair cut this year, but I've seen some people convinced of some pretty crazy stuff on this forum so thats not much to go on.

And I just realized today it wasn't even Wesley Sneijder's picture I saw on the Hasci site back then. It was a totally different footballer named Dean Saunders, and Dean Saunders was not nearly as big as Wesley Sneijder so we didn't have all that much celebrity info to go on with Gho two years ago.

My point is that Dr. Nigam already has celebrity photos, but they're Indian celebrities so we need some Indian nationals to step up and challenge him on the photos and press clippings on his website, and then no matter what emerges from that dialogue, you have to accept that it's not going to be a silver bullet because India is just too far culturally from USA and EU for Indian celebrities to carry exactly the same weight here.

[StinkySmurf]

Interview with Spencer

I want an interview with Spencer so I can hear Dr. Nigam speak off-the-cuff in an impromptu fashion about hair transplants, hair doubling, and hair multiplication.

Plenty of folks suspect Dr. Nigam is nothing more than copy-paste artist who fools people by taking his time to piece intelligent sounding answers together from sources on the Internet, and a first interview with Spencer will tell us more in this regard even if it doesn't give us the final proof we seek.

People are looking for silver bullets, but I don't think we're gonna find a single piece of evidence that closes this case. It's gonna take patience.

[didi]

dr gho has done celebrities and many forum non celebrities and people are still sceptical..

dr nigam on the other hand managed to produce couple of photoshopped images...and all he does is talk, talk and more talk..

results are not there so wtf is he going to talk about..just more of his hm technical crap but you cant see single convincing photo

[neversaynever]

this is so frustrating.

[neversaynever]

Dr nigam, what will you discuss with spencer if you have no proof of HM? He will surely ask for proof?

Dr gho went on there, with a HASCI clinic chain, scientific publications, and even law suits that he had won, but most people still found it hard to believe him.

You cant even discuss the details of your HM process, let alone show the results. And spencer will look at your website, and discuss the photos on there.

If you talk with spencer, you need to be prepared....

Be logical.