Histogen show "cosmetic" results oct 2012 update

[Desmond84]

that's not what they did in their pilot trial nor in their 1 1/2 Phase. You have no idea what you're talking about

2020 that's why they are called a pilot trial!

Let me give you an example:

Spiriva is a drug used to open up your airways if you have emphysema. Its a capsule that goes into a device that you use to inhale the content. It was developed by Boehringer Ingelheim. During their trials they used their own crappy device. But once the trials were finished, they paid Pfizer a whole bunch of money to develop their delivery device for them which is now called the "Handihaler".

The delivery devices will be modified and improved for launch. I promise you that

[2020]

Dude seriously!

If they're going to release this product, you will not receive each single injection until you get to 200!!!

It'll be a intradermal pen with 8-10 pre-filled syringes attached to it! The entire treatment would take 15-20 minutes and you're done!

that's not what they did in their pilot trial nor in their 1 1/2 Phase. You have no idea what you're talking about

You guys are seriously just getting trolled by some basement indwelling balding virgin. It's a Friday night, guys should be out - not arguing on the net with some cue ball, and I mean cue ball literally.

where am I wrong? Their treatment is not even close to being as effective as fin. The pictures are crap. They say that hair growth was achieved everywhere even on hairline. Okay, show us pictures. It's been years, what now? Another five years? Why can't you see that this was bad news

[Desmond84]

You guys are seriously just getting trolled by some basement indwelling balding virgin. It's a Friday night, guys should be out - not arguing on the net with some cue ball, and I mean cue ball literally.

Spoken like a true boss

[JJacobs152]

You guys are seriously just getting trolled by some basement indwelling balding virgin. It's a Friday night, guys should be out - not arguing on the net with some cue ball, and I mean cue ball literally.

[Desmond84]

yeah it's going to be much more than 200 shots and how exactly do you plan for that to go?

One shot... 2... 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199... are you still following? Those were all injections and that's barely ONE NORWOOD. Everyone here is so desperate that they don't even care what - they just want hair. I'm sure you would apply shit to your scalp if it grew hair. Most people are not that obsessed with hair so they won't even bother. If a treatment is that difficult, most people won't bother. Hair loss is not cancer.

Dude seriously!

If they're going to release this product, you will not receive each single injection until you get to 200!!!

It'll be a intradermal pen with 8-10 pre-filled syringes attached to it! The entire treatment would take 15-20 minutes and you're done!

[2020]

200 shots is not that bad 2020. Don't freak out!

yeah it's going to be much more than 200 shots and how exactly do you plan for that to go?

One shot... 2... 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199... are you still following? Those were all injections and that's barely just for your hairline. Everyone here is so desperate that they don't even care what - they just want hair. I'm sure you would apply shit to your scalp if it grew hair. Most people are not that obsessed with hair so they won't even bother. If a treatment is that difficult, most people won't bother. Hair loss is not cancer.


EDIT:

by the way, those 20% numbers are so misleading...

if you have 20% density times 20% extra density = 0.20% * 1.20 === 0.24%

20% gain is actually a 4% gain. A THOUSAND INJECTIONS for a FOUR PERCENT GAIN? Am I the only one who actually thinks this through?

[hellouser]

Actually lets do some calculations:

Your scalp (including temples) is on average 10x10cm = 100cm2

Now they needed 8 shots for a 2x2cm = 4cm2 scalp area.

So, we need 8x(100/4) = 200 shots!

200 shots is not that bad 2020. Don't freak out!

Freaking out over unknowns is ridiculous. Noone knows the exact process, we've only been given some vague information relative to the FULL details. I don't understand individuals like 2020. Throwing someone (or a company) under the bus before all the facts are given is a sign of ignorance.

[Desmond84]

Actually lets do some calculations:

Your scalp (including temples) is on average 10x10cm = 100cm2

Now they needed 8 shots for a 2x2cm = 4cm2 scalp area.

So, we need 8x(100/4) = 200 shots!

200 shots is not that bad 2020. Don't freak out!

[Desmond84]

So which area are we supposed to look at? That picture with the female obviously has injections all over. Male picture shows no improvement.

I don't think so and if it is so then it's even more pathetic... do you know how big is 2x2cm area? Do you know how many blocks of those are on your entire head? HUNDREDS. 100 * 16 = 1600 injections for 20% density? holy shit these people suck so bad and if it weren't for the entire medical industry being composed of idiots, they wouldn't stand a chance...

Here's their method:

"Hair Stimulating Complex will be injected intradermally into the scalp of the test subject at 2 timepoints (Baseline and 6 Weeks after Baseline) using sterile syringes with 30 gauge needles at a volume of 0.1 mL per injection. A total of 8 injections (about 3mm apart) will be administered into one of the the 2 randomized sites (left or right) of the subject's scalp. Six weeks after the Baseline injection, the same treatment site will receive a repeat dose (the same volume and number of injections as used in the baseline) with no crossover."

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01501617

Having to do 1600 injections is not gonna be fun though. You're right!

[2020]

Because your comparing something thats been out for a long time, well documented and has thousands of examples to look and your comparing it to something that ISNT EVEN OUT YET!!!!!! And only shows study results rather than FULL '2020' desired results.

all I'm saying: you claim 40-70% density. SHOW THEM. None of those pictures(which I'm sure are the best they got otherwise they would show something better) show anywhere near that density growth.

Your logic is so incredibly flawed, you have no idea of how to make a FAIR comparison. Your posts should be removed completely, theyre not objective AT ALL.

No it's not. Histogen are idiots

[2020]

Dude, I think that's where you're confused they gave him 8 shots in a 2x2cm area at baseline and then 8 more shots in the same area after 6 weeks. That's all they done so far, not the whole scalp!

Don't abandon ship yet dude!

So which area are we supposed to look at? That picture with the female obviously has injections all over. Male picture shows no improvement.

I don't think so and if it is so then it's even more pathetic... do you know how big is 2x2cm area? Do you know how many blocks of those are on your entire head? HUNDREDS. 100 * 16 = 1600 injections for 20% density? holy shit these people suck so bad and if it weren't for the entire medical industry being composed of idiots, they wouldn't stand a chance...

[hellouser]

how am I not?

Pictures of Propecia vs pictures of HSC

HSC doesn't come even close. Propecia wins.

Because your comparing something thats been out for a long time, well documented and has thousands of examples to look and your comparing it to something that ISNT EVEN OUT YET!!!!!! And only shows study results rather than FULL '2020' desired results.

Your logic is so incredibly flawed, you have no idea of how to make a FAIR comparison. Your posts should be removed completely, theyre not objective AT ALL.

[Desmond84]

they've treated MULTIPLE 2x2cm areas. Where is that difference we're supposed to be seeing? Those pictures are pathetic. So many years and this is all they have to show?

Dude, I think that's where you're confused they gave him 8 shots in a 2x2cm area at baseline and then 8 more shots in the same area after 6 weeks. That's all they done so far, not the whole scalp!

Don't abandon ship yet dude!

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Where did that second batch of photos come from? I know the first group of photos came from Dr. Bernstein's site with regards to best results from fin and minox. I haven't seen that second batch of photos, can you provide a link?

[2020]

2020 don't forget that so far, Histogen has only treated a 2x2cm area not the entire scalp! so comparing photos of the entire scalp is a bit pointless. We have to see photos of treatment sessions with 200-300 injections and then talk about real cosmetic differences.

they've treated MULTIPLE 2x2cm areas. Where is that difference we're supposed to be seeing? Those pictures are pathetic. So many years and this is all they have to show?