Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[MrBlonde]

These first two photo's (on the left) are at the 2 month mark. You can see the thinning in the crown and some has spread further down towards the frontal area. The is more evident in the middle photo due to better light, which is the second photo taken at the two months mark.

The last photo (on the right) was around the four month mark. Excuse my error earlier I though it was five months but from the timestamps on the photos I can see it was only four, which is better news. I believe the crown has thickened as well as the front and even some regrowth maybe. This was very hard to notice day to day but only evident when looking back on these photos. Please note these are not the best photo picks from hundreds I took. These are the only photo's I took.

I also second Ted's comments about hair getting thinner off MSM. I slightly experienced this at the front area but it could have been taking place at the scalp area but I haven't been paying close attention. I remember when I started MSM I complained along with Cob that my hair got very thin and straw like. I am going through this again although not to the same extent as before. I believe this is natural and things get worse and then better with MSM as is the case with most programs. This is a natural side effect of MSM.

[LongWayHome]

MrBlonde, I just started MSM & Vit C and considering your results, I actually can say, ladies and gentleman, that I finally don't feel stupid.
Your results are clear, your hair is wet and it definitely did something good.

[Cob984]

Decent results mr. blonde, think its time i ramp up my intake,
I am now on 3g msm, 1 vitc, think i will make it 4g and 2g today onward

[Cob984]

Decent results mr. blonde, think its time i ramp up my intake,
I am now on 3g msm, 1 vitc, think i will make it 4g and 2g today onward

[Jcm800]

Yes, decent results there. Quite surprising actually! How much are you taking daily MrBlonde?

Also, gutted where are you, what do you think?

[MrBlonde]

Yes, decent results there. Quite surprising actually! How much are you taking daily MrBlonde?

Also, gutted where are you, what do you think?

4G VIT 9G MSM and three TRX2 tabs as recommended.

Some days I don't do 9G of MSM but the minimum I ever take it 5G

[Jcm800]

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4G VIT 9G MSM and three TRX2 tabs as recommended.

Some days I don't do 9G of MSM but the minimum I ever take it 5G

Ok tks, where do you get your vitc from, are you in the UK?

[MrBlonde]

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Ok tks, where do you get your vitc from, are you in the UK?

I'm in Ireland. I buy my VitC in Tesco's

[Jcm800]

I'm in Ireland. I buy my VitC in Tesco's

Fair play, I get my in Sainsburys lol.

[bananana]

Do you think that high intake of vitc is necessary?

I take 1-2 grams max. Do you think I should up the dosage. I take solgars vitc and drink orange juice etc..

[MrBlonde]

Do you think that high intake of vitc is necessary?

I take 1-2 grams max. Do you think I should up the dosage. I take solgars vitc and drink orange juice etc..

I followed Gutted's plan based on his results. I'm not really the guy to be asking about what you should take but I don't think 4g's is that high. It can't be bad for you so it comes down to your own finances and personal choices really.

I should say in relation to my photos that I still lose at the hairline but its slowed right down.

Here is a timeline of my results

• The MSM made my hair thin and straw like early on
• After a couple of weeks the itch was gone.
• About 6 weeks in the shedding reduced.
• I believe my hair was thickening at this point. Its hard to tell day to day but to the touch and from some photos I think this happened.
• Shedding pretty much stopped happening day to day. I would only lose when showering and brushing.

I have lost ground lately with that setback I had from the bad MSM but I hope to recover. I should stress I still lose at the hairline as Gutted does but its now only during showering and brushing. It was easy for me to notice hairfall day to day as I have dark hair and my office desk is white. I would always see hairs on it daily and in my fingers if I ran my hair through my hands. That doesn't happen now. Maybe the odd 1-3 hairs a week might fall but that's a normal shed rate I'd reckon.

My verdict on this program is that it helps slow things down MPB wise, it may even halt it for a few years if you catch your MPB early or not in such a strong cycle . The TRX2 may have helped me regain some lost hairs but I wont get back to a NW1 on this. My hope is that I can hang onto as much as possible with this natural program until something like Histogen hits the market and then I can work on some serious regrowth or maintaining what I have forever rather than just slowing it down.

[sizzlinghairs]

pretty evident results, congrats!

So just a thought on vit C @ 4g which might be responsible for blonde's results. Dkk-1 (dickkopf-1) has been implicated as a main player in follicle miniaturization. It has been shown to be second in the inflammatory process to DHT.

I was just reading recently on ha irlosshelp.com after doing some searching, that a vit-c salt, l-ascorbic 2-phosphate, was shown to inhibit dkk-1.

The conclusion was that it might be too weak. But anyways, the 4g vit c, which is a substantial amount, might be doing something to inhibit dkk-1.

So maybe everyone should be doing a 4g minimum. I hope thats safe though.

[MrBlonde]

pretty evident results, congrats!

So just a thought on vit C @ 4g which might be responsible for blonde's results. Dkk-1 (dickkopf-1) has been implicated as a main player in follicle miniaturization. It has been shown to be second in the inflammatory process to DHT.

I was just reading recently on ha irlosshelp.com after doing some searching, that a vit-c salt, l-ascorbic 2-phosphate, was shown to inhibit dkk-1.

The conclusion was that it might be too weak. But anyways, the 4g vit c, which is a substantial amount, might be doing something to inhibit dkk-1.

So maybe everyone should be doing a 4g minimum. I hope thats safe though.

Is too much Vit C bad for you? I haven't read anything about this, please enlighten me.

[sizzlinghairs]

Well, we would have to do more research but, Im currently in nursing school and learned that a vit c side effect can be kidney stones.. Not sure about the details of this, maybe the individual has to already be sensitive or have impaired kidney function..

[sizzlinghairs]

Copyied and pasted this, I put my own thoughts at the end:

Vitamin C is one of the water-soluble vitamins, meaning it dissolves in water. It is difficult to overdose on water-soluble vitamins since the body tends to flush them away easily.

However, it is possible to overdose on vitamin C. The chronic toxic dose (meaning how much you have to take over a period of time to see negative effects) is more than 2 grams a day. The acute toxic dose is not known. Deaths from vitamin C overdose are very rare, and there may be none recorded.

The possible negative effects of taking too much vitamin C are:
- diarrhea,
- nausea,
- possible dental decalcification (i.e., softening of the teeth),
- increased estrogen levels,
- renal colic (i.e., kidney stones)
- in infants born to women taking high doses, rebound scurvy (where the child was exposed to too much vitamin C from the mother before birth, and so is does not have enough vitamin C after being born.)

Further, vitamin C can interfere with some drug treatments, like cancer treatment.

The normal recommended daily allowance for vitamin C for healthy adults is 50-60 milligrams (mg) a day. For pregnant women it is 70 mg a day, and for nursing women, it 90 mg a day. The usual recommended supplement to prevent deficiency is also about 50-60 mg a day, but that can rise to 100 mg. in certain situations.

And of course, if you eat a good diet, you won't need any supplements at all, and there is basically zero risk of overdosing.

The reason is certain conditions can increase your need for vitamin C. These include
- AIDS (acquired immune deficiency syndrome),
- alcoholism,
- burns,
- cancer,
- prolonged diarrhea,
- prolonged fever,
- prolonged infection,
- some intestinal diseases,
- an overactive thyroid,
- stomach ulcers,
- chronic stress,
- surgical removal of the stomach,
- tuberculosis.

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*keep in mind that just because this article says that toxic doses are over 2 g over time, that does not automatically mean that is the case with us. More than likely, we will be ok but they have to put it as it is still a possibility.