Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[gutted]

Ok, is that the goal? Gutted?

Is there a cheaper and more effective way of doing that?

there are many ways to do it -> http://www.livestrong.com/article/34...t-glutathione/

http://www.lifewave.com/yage.asp

i cant be certain its because of the glutathione boost but msm+C has been found in studies to boost it effeciently, its in the first post.

[yeahyeahyeah]

taking 2 MSM and 2 vit C capsules?

3000 grams each, is dosage really important gutted?

[gutted]

taking 2 MSM and 2 vit C capsules?

3000 grams each, is dosage really important gutted?

for the first few weeks to months taking a few grams would be benficial to start assimilating the sulphur, and then dropping to a personal minatenance dose should not be a problem - 3 or 6 grams msm.

[yeahyeahyeah]

for the first few weeks to months taking a few grams would be benficial to start assimilating the sulphur, and then dropping to a personal minatenance dose should not be a problem - 3 or 6 grams msm.

I will stick to 3k

[2020]

Apparently all that's needed to produce glutathione are three things:

Vitamin D
Alpha-Lipoic Acid
NAC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutathione#Supplementation

all of them being extremely cheap products.

Remember that study about Vitamin D being a cure for baldness? Then they said that they had to make a new Vitamin D, a super Vitamin D and that might work. Vitamin D = Glutathione. Too bad you can't patent glutathione...



EDIT:

Changes in glutathione content in human hair follicle keratinocytes as a function of age of donor: relation with glutathione dependent enzymes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19291050

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[Cob984]

gutted, whats your opinion on folexen / equol - dht binder or something apparently not a blocker, thinking of starting it and dropping the sp to just one 120mg does every other day or drop it completely, oral sp makes me feel like crap , the only reason i take it is because i am terrified for my hair
is folexen a better sub?

[gutted]

gutted, whats your opinion on folexen / equol - dht binder or something apparently not a blocker, thinking of starting it and dropping the sp to just one 120mg does every other day or drop it completely, oral sp makes me feel like crap , the only reason i take it is because i am terrified for my hair
is folexen a better sub?

i have the same view on all forms of androgen inhibition.

[AgainstThis]

Yo, been a month and then some on this regime.

I can say that it is working, without a doubt. Minimal shedding and the peach fuzz that previously went nowhere is now growing into full, real hair. The results, whilst not groundbreaking, are definitely worth it, since the overall appearance my hair has gotten is one of a nice, thick NW3, as opposed to the strawy, shitty, going to hell NW3 I was before. I'll keep going, I'm curious to see where I am after 3 or 6 months on this.

Something is DEFINITELY working.

Plus, I've now got such pretty nails

[Cob984]

Yo, been a month and then some on this regime.

I can say that it is working, without a doubt. Minimal shedding and the peach fuzz that previously went nowhere is now growing into full, real hair. The results, whilst not groundbreaking, are definitely worth it, since the overall appearance my hair has gotten is one of a nice, thick NW3, as opposed to the strawy, shitty, going to hell NW3 I was before. I'll keep going, I'm curious to see where I am after 3 or 6 months on this.

Something is DEFINITELY working.

Plus, I've now got such pretty nails

you using this with anything else? did you drop whatever you were on previously and experience a shed?

[MrBlonde]

I am almost two months on this program now and my itch has virtually gone, I would say it has 10% reduction left before being fully quashed.

I have recently noticed a slight reduction in shedding which is good but its not all positive. My hair has gotten so thin in those two months and looks much worse then when I started. I shed mostly at the hairline and I'm not sure if the reduction in shedding is down to this program or that my lastest stint of mbp shedding has gotten through as much hair as it can. Tthats how much I've lost. I can confirm I was shedding before starting this program so maybe its helped stop it. Tbh I can't be sure.

My hair feels dry, brittle and straw like as others have reported. My side and back feels and looks unaffected by this program. I may have noticed a slight reduction in shedding at the back, thats about the only change, it doesn't feel brittle or straw like as the top does.

I am going to stick with this and am holding out for the signs of regrowth and density increase that gutted mentioned as I have seen some of his key indicators come to pass.

I would like to ask you gutted did you hair get super thin up top early on?

Did you get the same dry straw like hair some of us are experiencing?

You mentioned you have a normal shedding pattern now ie where shedding and regrowth levels balance out. Is this all over or at the hairline?

Is your hairline still recedding? if so does it have a good regrowth/shed balance meaning you maintain there?

Its all about the hairline for me as I use it to cover a scar and I have a big forehead and temples. My hairline hairs are 6inches and when the shed my loss is super visible. I look pretty bad now but am going to stick it out.

I am hoping all of this is the storm before the clam and I come through this tough patch into a thickening and regrowth phase. I am wearing hats a lot now at work now to cover up things. Gutted mentioned a reduction in shedding at 3 months, the thing is I dont think I can afford another 2 weeks of loss, especially on my right temple Then again I have no choice but to ride this out but in my heart of hearts I can't see myself regrowing in this area as the temples are the hardest place to regain. If I cant I will have lost out to mpb. If I can stabalise the rest of my head I would rebuild the hairline with a HT but I will only do that if the rest shows improvement. Getting my hairline filled in only to shed behind it would make for one freaky head of hair.

I realise I am repeating myself and earlier posts but hence is the nature of these forumn, we use them as a shoulder to cry on I guess because I dont talk to anyone about my hairloss and we all seem to constantly jump on any good/bad news someeone else has. What caused this that etc etc?

Ok thats it, update/rant over, sorry for repeating myself but I got nothing else to do but keep up this program and vent.

[Cob984]

im exactly in your boat mr blonde, my hair is unrecognizable now i dont know where its gone, its thinning like crazy and its been about 7+ weeks for me too, i dont think i can hold out much longer so im adding the saw palmetto just once a day to feel more mentally at ease, I hope you are successful since it might give me more confidence later on

[gutted]

I would like to ask you gutted did you hair get super thin up top early on?

Did you get the same dry straw like hair some of us are experiencing?

You mentioned you have a normal shedding pattern now ie where shedding and regrowth levels balance out. Is this all over or at the hairline?

Is your hairline still recedding? if so does it have a good regrowth/shed balance meaning you maintain there?

Its all about the hairline for me as I use it to cover a scar and I have a big forehead and temples. My hairline hairs are 6inches and when the shed my loss is super visible. I look pretty bad now but am going to stick it out.

hi to answer your questions.

no when i started the combo, there was no signs of thinning. Its only when i started otehr supplements that caused the thinning. That has slowly reversed itself over the last few months.

yes i have a normal shedding pattern and this is all over, hairline included. Its normal to lose hairs.

No my hairline has stopped receeding, there has been no recession for over a year now. Im confident its staying put. I know on the right side i can see density improving, i also expect this to happen on the left although in a few months time.

you may be shedding if you dropped any androgen inhibiting substances recently or it may just be mpb, although these hairs will return a few months down the line. The reduction in itch is a positive sign. The itch indicates the end of the hair before going into permanent dormancy. Although staying n msm prevents this from happening.

As for the dry strawy texture, that may be because of the decreased oil output that msm has caused. The oil acts as a natrual conditioner hence why it may feel dry and strawy. You should use a conditioner of some sort to counteract this.

You need to stay on it for many more months before you experience the synchronisation of shed rate vs growth rate.

Also bear in mind if people decide to use/introduce anything else such as androgen inhibiting substances in addition to the combo after being on it for 3 or 6+ months, the timeline resets.
You need to go through the whole timeline again if you ever decide to drop the androgen inhibiting substances later down the line. Being on it for 9 months already or whatever has no real merit anymore, you disrupt the cycle/timeline.

[bananana]

im exactly in your boat mr blonde, my hair is unrecognizable now i dont know where its gone, its thinning like crazy and its been about 7+ weeks for me too, i dont think i can hold out much longer so im adding the saw palmetto just once a day to feel more mentally at ease, I hope you are successful since it might give me more confidence later on

well, i dont know how you guys get such a drastic change in hair looks? my hair hasnt changed (if it is its for the better...), just the itch and oil stopped...

you cob984 - you wont achieve ANYTHING at all with adding sp, you'll just probably f*ck up msm's work. I'm sorry but you didnt go bald in 2 weeks, you went bald in 10 years - so give this OR ANY TREATMENT AT LEAST 1 YEAR before making rush decisions.

I'm sorry but thats the way it is! Please guys - be patient WITH ANYTHING YOU TRY.

120 mg of sp is NOTHING, i used to take 1500 - 3000 mg and it DIDNT stop my itch and it DIDNT lower my oil output.

My 2 cents.

[gutted]

well, i dont know how you guys get such a drastic change in hair looks?

there not going to experience any visible changes yet. They have to stay on it for many more months before visibile changes occur. What is occuring now to thier hair is down to mpb, NOT becaue of the combo use. The combo will sort mpb out.

Also as for cob984, i cant say for sure the timeline applies to him at all. Hes not going to witness ANY of the results (visibile or inivisible results) others may have experienced, because of his sp use.

[Cob984]

im not using sp? i have taken 3 capsules last week, apart from that i have been off it for almost 5 weeks now, anyone in their right mind know 3 capsules of 120 mg is nothing,

i am still using revivogen and thats it thought, no internal blockers, i clearly remember you saying there was a risk with rev but it should be ok otherwise

and what a load of bs? you are comparing the whole shed rate v growth rate thing, using sp vs fin? you have got to be shitting me, that too 120 mg, you realize how insignificant that is?

and banana yes my hair has gotten worse big time in the last 1.5 months, i am a very aggressive thinner, maybe the hair got dependent on the sp so the resultant spike completely messed stuff up ( btw ur probably talking 1500-3000 of fruit not extract, i use extract)