Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[Buy The Ticket]

Hi Gutted,

I have been reading around this place for about a month (some really good info. here) and think I will test your theory out.

The possible Finasteride sides terrify me (I even asked my GP about it and she said not to mess with the stuff, male hormone manipulation is dangerous), and the whole 'shedding' part of Minox doesn't appeal at all.

I am probably between Norwood 3 and Norwood 3 Vetex - with diffuse thinning all over the top and front.

I am 25, and since secondary school I had a high hairline and very fine hair (although a LOT of it so it looked really great). I was a bit hair obsessed when I was younger so maybe now I am paying for my vanity

My Dad was almost completely bald at my age so I seem to have a few more years grace than he did.

But I still don't want to let the gene win, if I can even maintain what I have currently, I will be very happy (although my hair is very fine/thin and any thickening effects at all would be welcome!)

I got all the ingredients together (one of my book shelves looks like an aisle in Boots) and I started on Sunday and will strictly keep this up for at least a year, and update this thread with results and pics.

(I took a lot of pics last weekend as a starting point in different lighting, angles etc. and will post these with comparison pics maybe 5-6 months in depending on how things go).

So, this is my regime (daily), please let me know if I need to tweak it at all in your opinion:

4 and a half grams MSM Daily
TRX2 (3 Capsules daily)
3 grams Vitamin C
1 capsule Vitamin D3
1 capsule Tocotrienol (Suprabio)
Nizoral 2% once a week
And sometimes I use Jojoba Oil in my hair overnight when it is feeling very dry.

I also use Kerastase Stimuliste (Aminexil Spray) after I shower in the morning. I know Aminexil gets shredded on this forum, but what it does for me is stop the itch a bit. It helps that a lot and it does seem to have a thickening effect. It has NOT stopped any hair loss at all though because I have been using it for about 3 years, so I'm not really promoting it as a product, plus it's waaaaay too expensive for what it is.

I was also a casual/social smoker until a few weeks ago, and have started a fairly intense exercise regime at my gym (4 times weekly) so hopefully this will all contribute.

Sorry for the epic first post, any advice/input would be much appreciated.

Cheers.

[gutted]

Hi Gutted,



So, this is my regime (daily), please let me know if I need to tweak it at all in your opinion:

4 and a half grams MSM Daily
TRX2 (3 Capsules daily)
3 grams Vitamin C
1 capsule Vitamin D3
1 capsule Tocotrienol (Suprabio)
Nizoral 2% once a week
And sometimes I use Jojoba Oil in my hair overnight when it is feeling very dry.

the toco8 is a waste of money and really not required, this also has potentilal to affect androgen imbalance as well as nizoral (keto binds with the Androgen receptor). Although niz 1% may be ok if youve been using that consistently for the passed few months.
The vitamin d3 shouldnt pose any problem.

As for aminexil, im not quite sure on that. If you can afford it and you believe it helps i dont see why this would interact with the combo, although ive noticed my results solely on this combo alone, and anyone wishing to replicate this i adivise this combo only.

You should give it quite some time before you notice anything also i would stop or limit the smoking asap.

[gutted]

Hey guys,
I'm trying to put together an ingredient list because I can't afford trx2.

But I'm having a hard time finding dosages to match trx2's ratios.

And I'm also having a hard time finding supplements that don't have a bunch of extra ingredients added.

For example, I can get Biotin in 350 mcg tablets, which I can split in half to match trx2's 150 mcg dose. But the other ingredients are: Dicalcium Phosphate, Vegetable Cellulose, Vegetable Stearic Acid, Croscarmellose, Silica, Vegetable Magnesium Stearate. Seems like a lot of extra stuff but I don't know what any of it does or how it might affect the "combo". Is there even such a thing as pure Biotin?

Is anyone else making their own blend (preferably in the States to keep shipping costs down) who can provide links to where you're buying from? I'm desperate to get started on this regimen but want to make sure I'm doing it right.

A starter list would be enormously useful in helping people jump in to this program.

i would keep it as close as possible, doesnt need to be perfect. Just watch out on the niacin though. try to keep that as close as possible.

[Buy The Ticket]

the toco8 is a waste of money and really not required, this also has potentilal to affect androgen imbalance as well as nizoral (keto binds with the Androgen receptor). Although niz 1% may be ok if youve been using that consistently for the passed few months.
The vitamin d3 shouldnt pose any problem.

As for aminexil, im not quite sure on that. If you can afford it and you believe it helps i dont see why this would interact with the combo, although ive noticed my results solely on this combo alone, and anyone wishing to replicate this i adivise this combo only.

You should give it quite some time before you notice anything also i would stop or limit the smoking asap.

It's not Toco8 it's just a tocotrienol complex: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Healthy-Orig.../dp/B004KU4S6S

And money isn't something I have to worry about so I will continue with the Aminexil Spray, but like I say it is only for temporary cosmetic gains and for scalp comfort more than anything.

But hopefully this new regime might cure 'the itch' after a month or so?

Do you think I should drop the Nizoral altohether if it could affect the combo? I'm open to suggestions because all this is far from my forté.

And ye I haven't had a cigarette for 3 weeks now and don't intend to again.

[gutted]

It's not Toco8 it's just a tocotrienol complex: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Healthy-Orig.../dp/B004KU4S6S

Yes probably best to drop it. It contains beta sitosterol all be it at lower concentrations which one could argue any affect on androgen balance is negligible.

But hopefully this new regime might cure 'the itch' after a month or so?

Yes you should notice this pretty fast.

Do you think I should drop the Nizoral altohether if it could affect the combo? I'm open to suggestions because all this is far from my forté.

And ye I haven't had a cigarette for 3 weeks now and don't intend to again.

When i tried niz 2% 1 x per week, i used to get sexual sides, as well as shed alot of hair during use. Keto is known to bind to the Androgen receptor, so quite possibly affects androgen balance. I wouldnt use it, instead use a PO shampoo such as tgel.

[Buy The Ticket]

Yes probably best to drop it. It contains beta sitosterol all be it at lower concentrations which one could argue any affect on androgen balance is negligible.

Yes you should notice this pretty fast.

When i tried niz 2% 1 x per week, i used to get sexual sides, as well as shed alot of hair during use. Keto is known to bind to the Androgen receptor, so quite possibly affects androgen balance. I wouldnt use it, instead use a PO shampoo such as tgel.

OK thanks, I will drop the Nizoral & Tocotrienols.

Just wondering - which T-Gel Shampoo should I use?
There seem to be a few available?

[gutted]

OK thanks, I will drop the Nizoral & Tocotrienols.

Just wondering - which T-Gel Shampoo should I use?
There seem to be a few available?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Neutrogena-T-Gel-Shampoo-Dry-Hair-125ml-/180461195115#vi-content

[MrBlonde]

I use Rehenepure which contains Ketoconazole. Should I drop this?

[Jcm800]

It's not Toco8 it's just a tocotrienol complex: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Healthy-Orig.../dp/B004KU4S6S

And money isn't something I have to worry about so I will continue with the Aminexil Spray, but like I say it is only for temporary cosmetic gains and for scalp comfort more than anything.

But hopefully this new regime might cure 'the itch' after a month or so?

Do you think I should drop the Nizoral altohether if it could affect the combo? I'm open to suggestions because all this is far from my forté.

And ye I haven't had a cigarette for 3 weeks now and don't intend to again.

13 weeks off the smokes for me -fkn hard work when stressed out about hairloss mate - but stick at it, good luck!

[eternal]

Gutted,
Thanks for the response. Could I get your (or anyone else's) opinion on my ingredient list? If anyone could check my links and see if I'm getting the right stuff I'd really appreciate it.

Here's what I put together:

Potassium Chloride (powder) $3.78 per bottle ~1,187 servings per bottle @ 191 mg per serving

Biotin (tablets) $2.25 per bottle 200 servings per bottle @ 150mcg per 1/2 tablet

Carnipure (tablets) $21.82 per bottle ~66 servings per bottle @ 750mg per 1.5 tablets (closest I could get to trx2's 800mg, hopefully it's close enough)

L-Leucine (powder)$11.31 per bottle ~666 servings per bottle @ 150mg per serving

Isoleucine (powder) $19.99 per bag ~3,333 servings per bag @ 75mg per serving

Valine (powder)$12.48 per bottle ~666 servings per bottle @ 75mg per serving

Nicotinic Acid (powder) $8.95 per bag 2,835 servings per bag @ 40mg per serving

OptiMSM (tablets) $6.73 per bottle 20 servings per bottle @ 9g per serving.

And then I'll just pick up some Vitamin C at Mother's Market or Whole Foods.

I also bought a cheap milligram scale on ebay so I can measure out all the powder doses.

Scale

I haven't done the exact math but I think this'll wind up costing around $35.00 - $40.00 a month with the OptiMSM and the Carnipure being by far the most expensive part of the recipe. A lot of the powders will probably expire way before I can use them up but I'd think they'll hold up for at least a year's supply, maybe more, making them really cheap per month.

Thanks for your help Hopefully I got all the ingredients right.

[gutted]

I use Rehenepure which contains Ketoconazole. Should I drop this?

its up to you. I dont reccomend any keto. niz 1%, 1 x per week may be ok though.

[gutted]

Gutted,
Thanks for the response. Could I get your (or anyone else's) opinion on my ingredient list? If anyone could check my links and see if I'm getting the right stuff I'd really appreciate it.

Here's what I put together:

Potassium Chloride (powder) $3.78 per bottle ~1,187 servings per bottle @ 191 mg per serving

Biotin (tablets) $2.25 per bottle 200 servings per bottle @ 150mcg per 1/2 tablet

Carnipure (tablets) $21.82 per bottle ~66 servings per bottle @ 750mg per 1.5 tablets (closest I could get to trx2's 800mg, hopefully it's close enough)

L-Leucine (powder)$11.31 per bottle ~666 servings per bottle @ 150mg per serving

Isoleucine (powder) $19.99 per bag ~3,333 servings per bag @ 75mg per serving

Valine (powder)$12.48 per bottle ~666 servings per bottle @ 75mg per serving

Nicotinic Acid (powder) $8.95 per bag 2,835 servings per bag @ 40mg per serving

OptiMSM (tablets) $6.73 per bottle 20 servings per bottle @ 9g per serving.

And then I'll just pick up some Vitamin C at Mother's Market or Whole Foods.

I also bought a cheap milligram scale on ebay so I can measure out all the powder doses.

Scale

I haven't done the exact math but I think this'll wind up costing around $35.00 - $40.00 a month with the OptiMSM and the Carnipure being by far the most expensive part of the recipe. A lot of the powders will probably expire way before I can use them up but I'd think they'll hold up for at least a year's supply, maybe more, making them really cheap per month.

Thanks for your help Hopefully I got all the ingredients right.

looks good to me. Im sure you can get BCAA (luecine, valine, Isoleucine) in one form, but perhaps not exactly to the required amounts.

[gutted]

I've been off Minox approx 2 months. I'm taking Vit C powder in orange juice daily and knocking back the msm caps, currently 8 per day but shall move up to 9 now.

Fingers crossed, can't say I've seen any improvement tbh so far though. Still have scalp itch and flakes/dandruff.

Shall stick at it religiously tho.

You wouldn't recommend getting back on Minox then?

i guess its up to you if you want to get back on the minox, but i wouldnt reccomend it. Dandruff is pretty normal, its the oily dandruff that is pretty much a symptom of mpb. The oil secretion should pretty much be nonexistant after a while.

What shampoo do you use?

[Jcm800]

i guess its up to you if you want to get back on the minox, but i wouldnt reccomend it. Dandruff is pretty normal, its the oily dandruff that is pretty much a symptom of mpb. The oil secretion should pretty much be nonexistant after a while.

What shampoo do you use?

I usually use 2% Niz on a Monday, and then wash hair every other day, either with T-Gel or Elvive thickening shampoo.

I'm losing ground on my crown, freaking out - can feel 'bumps' there too, inflamed feeling. Hope this regime kicks in quick or i'm fkd..

[gutted]

I usually use 2% Niz on a Monday, and then wash hair every other day, either with T-Gel or Elvive thickening shampoo.

I'm losing ground on my crown, freaking out - can feel 'bumps' there too, inflamed feeling. Hope this regime kicks in quick or i'm fkd..

lol

its the niz!

drop it. i got this from it too and excess hair shedding.