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  • neversaynever
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 640

    #76
    Originally posted by UK_
    Its difficult for even the most skilled surgeon to tell if there is a percent regeneration in the donor area let alone the humble patient himself telling.
    Exactly. We can do it, but if your camera struggles at macro shots youre screwed. Requires photos everyday. Though i will know if some areas dont regenerate, because gho harvested in quite large groups. Sometimes 6-7 grafts next to each other.

    So far im totally happy. Too be honest, my main reason for wanting HST is less scars. Donor regeneration would be a damn nice bonus

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    • aim4hair
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2011
      • 437

      #77
      Originally posted by neversaynever
      Exactly. We can do it, but if your camera struggles at macro shots youre screwed. Requires photos everyday. Though i will know if some areas dont regenerate, because gho harvested in quite large groups. Sometimes 6-7 grafts next to each other.

      So far im totally happy. Too be honest, my main reason for wanting HST is less scars. Donor regeneration would be a damn nice bonus
      Having no scars is the main reason im going for HST as well. I really dont wanna lose the option to shave.

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      • UK_
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2011
        • 2691

        #78
        Originally posted by neversaynever
        Exactly. We can do it, but if your camera struggles at macro shots youre screwed. Requires photos everyday. Though i will know if some areas dont regenerate, because gho harvested in quite large groups. Sometimes 6-7 grafts next to each other.

        So far im totally happy. Too be honest, my main reason for wanting HST is less scars. Donor regeneration would be a damn nice bonus
        Put it this way if I were to go for any type of surgical procedure RIGHT NOW, I would go for HST.

        Have you had HST or planning it? You know if any surgeon could get up to 10,000 grafts we wouldnt need Replicel etc, but that's a big number and some heavy NW's even experience thinning in donor regions.

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        • UK_
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 2691

          #79
          Originally posted by aim4hair
          Having no scars is the main reason im going for HST as well. I really dont wanna lose the option to shave.
          Yeah man dont go strip whatever you do, you will be trapped forever or you could get tattoo or FUE into the scar but still HST all the way.

          HST (I sincerely hope) is the leap that HT's have needed for nearly a decade now. So many medical fields have made leaps over the past decade but hair loss I hope will have its time in the coming 5 years fingers crossed!

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          • aim4hair
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 437

            #80
            Originally posted by UK_
            Yeah man dont go strip whatever you do, you will be trapped forever or you could get tattoo or FUE into the scar but still HST all the way.

            HST (I sincerely hope) is the leap that HT's have needed for nearly a decade now. So many medical fields have made leaps over the past decade but hair loss I hope will have its time in the coming 5 years fingers crossed!
            Exactly man, i would never go strip.
            See the way i look at it based on the results i saw, with HST you get growth in recepient area and your donor would still be good, i do beleive we have enough evidence for donor re-growth but you know what even if there is no donor re-growth at least it's scarless and for those who don't beleive it's scarless i would say let's take it from your point of view, even if it is not completly scarless, 0.7 to 0.9 FUE needle made a significant and huge improvement when it comes to scars compared to 1.0+ mm needles, so 0.5 to 0.6 should make a significant approvement compared to 0.7 to 0.9.

            So regradless, what you think about donor regeneration, i see HST the best option right now.

            And BTW, for those who don't beleive gho claims, do you seriously think he could be fooling people all that long having clinics in 4 diffrent countries/cities and still expanding,, plus doing procedures for public figures and extreme cases as well....

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            • Maradona
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2011
              • 822

              #81
              I wouldn't mind FUE scars but FUT scars, that is britney spears crazy. I don't really know what goes through these peoples minds.

              Now we can say the same thing about FUE, having HST as an option today.

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              • neversaynever
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 640

                #82
                Originally posted by UK_
                Put it this way if I were to go for any type of surgical procedure RIGHT NOW, I would go for HST.

                Have you had HST or planning it? You know if any surgeon could get up to 10,000 grafts we wouldnt need Replicel etc, but that's a big number and some heavy NW's even experience thinning in donor regions.
                Had HST in march. Only 1200 grafts. I think some people are not ideal candidates for HST (inc myself).

                They found it extremely difficult to extract grafts from my donor.

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                • neversaynever
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 640

                  #83
                  Originally posted by aim4hair
                  Exactly man, i would never go strip.
                  See the way i look at it based on the results i saw, with HST you get growth in recepient area and your donor would still be good, i do beleive we have enough evidence for donor re-growth but you know what even if there is no donor re-growth at least it's scarless and for those who don't beleive it's scarless i would say let's take it from your point of view, even if it is not completly scarless, 0.7 to 0.9 FUE needle made a significant and huge improvement when it comes to scars compared to 1.0+ mm needles, so 0.5 to 0.6 should make a significant approvement compared to 0.7 to 0.9.

                  So regradless, what you think about donor regeneration, i see HST the best option right now.

                  And BTW, for those who don't beleive gho claims, do you seriously think he could be fooling people all that long having clinics in 4 diffrent countries/cities and still expanding,, plus doing procedures for public figures and extreme cases as well....
                  HST has limitations. IMO Hasci are scientists, not HT artists. Someone needs to take HST to the next level.

                  I know donor regenration is a big selling point, and of course the biggest talking point on forums, but lets not forget the most important thing...receipient area! And the very fast healing time. Plus FAR less visible scarring.

                  Im cutting my hair down to grade 0 at the moment.

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                  • neversaynever
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 640

                    #84
                    BTW.

                    HST has limitations...but HSC might help...

                    It might allow gho to do bigger sessions, and surely would increase both donor and recepient yield?

                    I feel that there is one more level to go with HST. From what ive heard, the results from his injection method are erratic (proving that some of the tissue around the follicles hold the key to making cells do their job).

                    Scientists should be taking Hasci more seriously. Especially those trying to culture cells. Together, they might find the key to hair multiplication.

                    God damn patents and ego....

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                    • aim4hair
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 437

                      #85
                      Originally posted by neversaynever
                      HST has limitations. IMO Hasci are scientists, not HT artists. Someone needs to take HST to the next level.

                      I know donor regenration is a big selling point, and of course the biggest talking point on forums, but lets not forget the most important thing...receipient area! And the very fast healing time. Plus FAR less visible scarring.

                      Im cutting my hair down to grade 0 at the moment.
                      I know you can't tell yet, but in general how do you feel about the hairline they gave you and dinsety of the receipient area ?
                      Did you do your op with dr. Gho himself or some other doc ?

                      Even if they had a hard time extracting from your donor, if you able to shave to 0 with no scars then i think your op worked out good and you actually a good candidate.

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                      • Conpecia
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 904

                        #86
                        Originally posted by neversaynever
                        Had HST in march. Only 1200 grafts. I think some people are not ideal candidates for HST (inc myself).

                        They found it extremely difficult to extract grafts from my donor.
                        Is your donor area growing back? That's the most important question in all of this IMO. Recipient area is a concern, but right now the prospect of growing back follicles is a bigger deal. We can get nice looking transplants from other docs once the method is taken up by people besides Gho.

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                        • UK_
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 2691

                          #87
                          Originally posted by neversaynever
                          BTW.


                          Scientists should be taking Hasci more seriously. Especially those trying to culture cells. Together, they might find the key to hair multiplication.

                          God damn patents and ego....
                          I agree. RepliHasci.

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                          • neversaynever
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 640

                            #88
                            Originally posted by aim4hair
                            I know you can't tell yet, but in general how do you feel about the hairline they gave you and dinsety of the receipient area ?
                            Did you do your op with dr. Gho himself or some other doc ?

                            Even if they had a hard time extracting from your donor, if you able to shave to 0 with no scars then i think your op worked out good and you actually a good candidate.
                            Gho made the recepient holes and hairline. His technicians did all the extracting and implanting.

                            Im happy enough with the hairline. I was insisting he can go for a more receeding, widows peak look. That would allow a slightly better density too. He said no. He flat out refused. he wouldnt listen. I find that strange. I got the typical gho hairline.

                            Overall, I think HST is in the wrong hands. He is no HT artist, and in general I didnt really like the service. I remember one tech having trouble extracting grafts, and another came to take over. The technician said "thank god!!!!" and said some stuff in dutch. Is that really the attitude we need in the HT chair? They spoke in dutch 90% of the time between themselves.

                            I then asked "whats the problem excatly?". The reply was "theres no problem. Just hard to extract the grafts". I get the feeling there was more to it than that.

                            But i have very little scarring, receipient is doing well. Overall, no complaints so far with the outcome.

                            I just think in better hands, HST would become a gold standard (for those who need less than 1600 grafts).

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                            • neversaynever
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 640

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Conpecia
                              Is your donor area growing back? That's the most important question in all of this IMO. Recipient area is a concern, but right now the prospect of growing back follicles is a bigger deal. We can get nice looking transplants from other docs once the method is taken up by people besides Gho.
                              there is some regrowth for sure. Its really hard to give any details, sorry.

                              Later this week ill take pictures and compare to the early pictures, of a region where grafts were extracted in very tight groupings.

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                              • UK_
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 2691

                                #90
                                **** man they sound like a bunch of jokers

                                Thing is the more people who 'go to gho' - the more attractive a venture it will be to other HT surgeons.

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