List of treatments and which one you think will actually work?

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  • Davey Jones
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2012
    • 356

    #61
    Originally posted by TrueGround
    Be real f*cking men and leave her alone.
    This is 2012. There is no need for that chauvinistic protection. They're treating her like they'd treat anyone else. Have you ever asked yourself why you wouldn't?

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    • Tracy C
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2011
      • 3083

      #62
      Originally posted by stilted
      Um, like, say the straight-forward empirical data that shows Replicel just doesn't work?
      The "straight-forward empirical data" does not show that it doesn't work. It shows that Replicel does work. It will take time to know how well it works.

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      • stilted
        Member
        • May 2012
        • 30

        #63
        Originally posted by TrueGround
        Just because you use the words "empirical data" in a sentence doesn't mean you know what the the hell you're talking about, in regards to this treatment. Give it AT LEAST a year before you start completely bashing it. Then you can wine all you want about your empirical data.

        You guys need to stop bashing Tracy C. I know she defends herself pretty aggressively at times, but that's probably natural when people ATTACK her. She seems more diligently educated than most, so I would (I do) respect what she has to say.

        She's a female experiencing hair loss, can you imagine how much more difficult that would be to deal with?

        Be real f*cking men and leave her alone.
        Relax, I was simply pointing out an ironic statement Tracey made (and Tracey, I mean no disrespect). I apologize if I found it amusing that someone instilled with such hope regarding Replicel (right or wrong -- I truly have no opinion), a company that will probably be delisted from the NYSE in a month for it's inability to keep its stock price above $1.00 and showed disappointing results (based on no one's projections for efficacy but their own) in their clinical trials would at the same time advocate a healthy "scientific skepticism."

        If Tracey can have hope for a product like that, sorry, but I'm going to find it amusing when she starts proselytizing about having scientific skepticism. Because the scientific skeptics say, a la Richard Crenna, "It's over, Johnny!"

        It doesn't mean she's wrong, it doesn't mean she's right. I think well enough of Tracey to think she's thinking, "ah, well. Touché." And then not giving my post another thought.

        Lighten up, folks! We'll beat this whole hair loss thing, and if we don't, paraphrasing Oscar Wilde, "If you knew how little people thought of you, you wouldn't care what they thought of you."

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        • DepressedByHairLoss
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 854

          #64
          It's good to see that there are many more companies working on baldness cures other than the ones that are most frequently talked about. I love what companies like Histogen, Aderans, Replicel, and Allergan are doing and I greatly appreciate their work, but with today's innovation with stem cells, I really believe that a stem cell type cure could come from somewhere else outside of the aforementioned major companies.

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          • Tracy C
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2011
            • 3083

            #65
            Originally posted by stilted
            Because the scientific skeptics say, a la Richard Crenna, "It's over, Johnny!"
            You guys keep ignoring a very important detail about Replicels results. Sure the terminal hair count was lower than everybody hoped for - but the vellus hair count and total hair count was higher than baseline. What that means is Replicel's treatment either created hair follicles where there were none before or re-started dormant hair follicles that could not produce hair before the treatment. This is significant good news and I truly hope Replicel is able to continue their work - because they obviously are on the right track. It isn't over - and it shouldn't be.



            Originally posted by stilted
            "ah, well. Touché."
            No I didn't think that. Not even for a millisecond. I have a healthy and appropriate appreciation for the significance of Replicel's results beyond terminal hair count. The positives are there and I am simply able to see them while others are curiously unwilling to accept them.

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            • stilted
              Member
              • May 2012
              • 30

              #66
              Originally posted by Tracy C
              I truly hope Replicel is able to continue their work
              I know you do. Me too. I hope they knock it out of the park.

              I would also hope that you would be self-aware enough to see humor in hoping for a long shot while chastising others for not having "scientific skepticism."

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              • UK_
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2011
                • 2691

                #67
                Originally posted by DepressedByHairLoss
                It's good to see that there are many more companies working on baldness cures other than the ones that are most frequently talked about. I love what companies like Histogen, Aderans, Replicel, and Allergan are doing and I greatly appreciate their work, but with today's innovation with stem cells, I really believe that a stem cell type cure could come from somewhere else outside of the aforementioned major companies.
                Yeh you mean like Wake Forest - I totally agree.

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                • Person
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 104

                  #68
                  Isn't Histogen doing phase I/IIa and I/IIb trials? If so, each trial is 24 months. So wouldn't that mean that it is not realistic to think it would be available anytime before 2017?

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                  • Person
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2012
                    • 104

                    #69
                    Bitmopost(allergan)- Expected to clear phase II quickly, seems very similar to minoxidil maybe slightly more effect. Already cleared for eyebrow growth I believe.
                    Expected Release- 2013
                    my POV: Good alternative to Minoxidil, might be slightly more effective but don't think this will cure anything at all.

                    Where did you see that the expected release date is 2013? Assuming phase II results are good in september and they continue to phase 3, that will take a year to complete. Then they have to get FDA approval (roughly a year).

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                    • rdawg
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 996

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Person
                      Bitmopost(allergan)- Expected to clear phase II quickly, seems very similar to minoxidil maybe slightly more effect. Already cleared for eyebrow growth I believe.
                      Expected Release- 2013
                      my POV: Good alternative to Minoxidil, might be slightly more effective but don't think this will cure anything at all.

                      Where did you see that the expected release date is 2013? Assuming phase II results are good in september and they continue to phase 3, that will take a year to complete. Then they have to get FDA approval (roughly a year).
                      I'd imagine since it's already on the market for eyebrow growth, it will pass those tests fairly fast and they'd just have to replace the labels wouldnt they? so wouldn't that mean Sept 2013(a year from beginning of phase III?)

                      It's already released anyway so you can probably just test it on your scalp right now to see if it works, although I hear its somewhat expensive.

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                      • rdawg
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2012
                        • 996

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Person
                        Isn't Histogen doing phase I/IIa and I/IIb trials? If so, each trial is 24 months. So wouldn't that mean that it is not realistic to think it would be available anytime before 2017?
                        Maybe someone can clarify if it's doing two phase I/II's but that would mean Phase III will start december 2013 if every thing goes right(which it probably will) which means it'll be approved for ASIA december 2014, released early 2015 there and released in North America mid-late 2016 after FDA approval.

                        If Histogen has great results in december this year though wouldn't it just go straight to the bigger Phase III?

                        and does anyone know if Histogen is releasing the 6 month results this month?

                        Essentially though, we'll know if this product works/will come to market within 2 years, the excitement alone I think will be enough to tide me over the extra couple years.

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                        • Tracy C
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 3083

                          #72
                          Originally posted by rdawg
                          It's already released anyway so you can probably just test it on your scalp right now to see if it works, although I hear its somewhat expensive.
                          I'm doing that right now. The problem is that I don't want to stop using Rogaine because it is working for me. So I got a script for Lumigan from my GP and mixed the whole bottle with a fresh bottle of generic Minoxidil. I am currently using this mixture every other evening until that bottle is empty. Then I will mix another bottle and use it every evening until I have been using it for at least six months. At that time I should be able to tell if it is helping or not.

                          It is expensive but health insurance will likely cover the cost of Lumigan - but not Latisse. I've been using Latisse for my eyelashes for quite a while so I can attest that it does work. I didn't want to bother with my eye brows at first but I am now using the little bit that is left on the brush after doing my eye lashes on my eyebrows. I'm just hoping to darken them a little bit so I don't need to use a pencil if I don't want to.

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                          • rdawg
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 996

                            #73
                            It'll be interesting to see if it's slightly more useful than Minoxidil. I wonder if the price will come down if it's mass produced for hair as well?

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                            • JRQ
                              Member
                              • May 2012
                              • 39

                              #74
                              Originally posted by UK_
                              Yeh you mean like Wake Forest - I totally agree.
                              Haven't heard of them doing anything....any link where I can check that out?

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                              • gmonasco
                                Inactive
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 865

                                #75
                                Originally posted by JRQ
                                Haven't heard of them doing anything....any link where I can check that out?

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