List of treatments and which one you think will actually work?

[neversaynever]

I think you're just desperate for any kind of results. A month ago I pointed out that the "growth area" was way too small so they would need hundreds and maybe thousands of injections depending on how much hair you lost. Everyone ignored it and said whatever I'll take whatever amount of injections as long as it would bring back a full head of hair.
Would you really? Do you comprehend the number 1000? Do you know how much that is? Can you imagine doing that every 6 months or so?

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22.... bored already? I'm less than 1% in. Imagine all those numbers as an injection.



they would simply drop out actually... follicle wouldn't be able to recreate another anagen cycle by itself so it will stay in resting phase forever again.



no you wouldn't.... eventually you will end up NW6 and with thousands of injections needed for that to become NW1, you will be flying in every 6 months or so to keep all that hair from not falling out.



it doesn't work like that.... it might prevent premature end of cycle but that's it. You get 2-3 years MAX assuming you do use DHT blockers

1. Two months ago you said HSC is the cure, even for sleeping follicles, reacting in the same way to people who were saying its not the cure. SO I guess we are all desperate. You were wrong then (which I was telling you back then), maybe youre wrong now?

2. People get hair tranplants that require 1000s of much more traumatic holes being punched into them. Some people dont even need HSC on their entire scalp...

3. I believe you're basing all of this on PGD2 levels? That HSC triggers anagen phase but PGd2 levels remain the same? Im not so sure how that happens. For a hair to grow, PGd2 levels need to reduce or halt (if the build up is too much). Therefore...HSC must be triggering a mechanism that is affecting PGd2. If then PGd2 levels are being altered, it might take some years before they can build up again.

4. I do comprehend 1000 injections, ive had 1200 fue...and found it pretty easy, apart from being bored. Injections are FAR less traumatic. And maybe they'll find a method of applying it quicker?

5. You need to re-align your attitude. You were preaching that HSC is the cure, now youre against it. Your ego and desperation is blocking you from the simple fact that you were wrong back then, and might be wrong now.

We would know alot more if histogen talked about PG levels. You might be right, but you also could be wrong, which you were before with HSC.

But how is it worse than applying topicals for the rest of your life? As soon as you stop the topical, you lose hair...

Speculate all you want, id rather what for the end of year, when hopefully we'll know alot more.

[yeahyeahyeah]

2. People get hair tranplants that require 1000s of much more traumatic holes being punched into them. Some people dont even need HSC on their entire scalp...

And

But how is it worse than applying topicals for the rest of your life? As soon as you stop the topical, you lose hair...

This.

And if say you cannot tolerate FIN, I don't know about you, but I would not mind this AT ALL. Given the alternatives are shit.

[yeahyeahyeah]

I think you're just desperate for any kind of results. A month ago I pointed out that the "growth area" was way too small so they would need hundreds and maybe thousands of injections depending on how much hair you lost. Everyone ignored it and said whatever I'll take whatever amount of injections as long as it would bring back a full head of hair.
Would you really? Do you comprehend the number 1000? Do you know how much that is? Can you imagine doing that every 6 months or so?

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22.... bored already? I'm less than 1% in. Imagine all those numbers as an injection.



they would simply drop out actually... follicle wouldn't be able to recreate another anagen cycle by itself so it will stay in resting phase forever again.



no you wouldn't.... eventually you will end up NW6 and with thousands of injections needed for that to become NW1, you will be flying in every 6 months or so to keep all that hair from not falling out.



it doesn't work like that.... it might prevent premature end of cycle but that's it. You get 2-3 years MAX assuming you do use DHT blockers

A hair cycle is 3-5 years.

And tbh the questions you have raised, don't you think the scientists at histogen have thought of them?

Give them credit where it is due, afterall if they are clever enough to regrow hair, then they are clever enough to solve problems like this.

[2020]

1. Two months ago you said HSC is the cure, even for sleeping follicles, reacting in the same way to people who were saying its not the cure. SO I guess we are all desperate. You were wrong then (which I was telling you back then), maybe youre wrong now?

Yes, HSC will work even for sleeping follicles no problem. I'm just starting to think whether it ACTUALLY reverses MPB process rather that just "faking" one hair cycle to make it look like you grew hair.

2. People get hair tranplants that require 1000s of much more traumatic holes being punched into them. Some people dont even need HSC on their entire scalp...

that's very different.

3. I believe you're basing all of this on PGD2 levels? That HSC triggers anagen phase but PGd2 levels remain the same? Im not so sure how that happens. For a hair to grow, PGd2 levels need to reduce or halt (if the build up is too much). Therefore...HSC must be triggering a mechanism that is affecting PGd2. If then PGd2 levels are being altered, it might take some years before they can build up again.

Kind of. I'm curious to see if prostaglandin levels "normalize" after HSC injections which would mean that excess PGD2 was the RESULT OF MPB and not the other way around.
It has been already proven that levels of PGD2 skyrocket once the hair goes into telogen phase. I can only assume that its high levels stay there while the hair is in resting phase.

5. You need to re-align your attitude. You were preaching that HSC is the cure, now youre against it. Your ego and desperation is blocking you from the simple fact that you were wrong back then, and might be wrong now.

not against it.... this all started with that stupid interview which lasted 40 minutes and answered ZERO questions. Now we're stuck here theorizing about HSC among themselves which does no good

[rdawg]

Yea I don't see using a bunch of injections once every 2-3 years as a negative? if it's for one day and hopefully if it's cost effective(something in the low hundreds, not hair transplant price) I wouldn't mind it at all if it meant full hair for 2-3 years.

People cover their heads in minoxidil, shampoos and take pills everyday, it really is just routine. Taking a bunch of injections for two hours 1 day a year(or every 2-3 years) is no where near that bad. I mean we have to take a trip to the dentist at least once a year dont we!?

All in all you're just theorizing that it won't last longer than a cycle, I'd like to see what the Histogen scientists claim with this, they are clearly on to something and i'd love to see their 6 month results as well!

[neversaynever]

Yes, HSC will work even for sleeping follicles no problem. I'm just starting to think whether it ACTUALLY reverses MPB process rather that just "faking" one hair cycle to make it look like you grew hair.



that's very different.



Kind of. I'm curious to see if prostaglandin levels "normalize" after HSC injections which would mean that excess PGD2 was the RESULT OF MPB and not the other way around.
It has been already proven that levels of PGD2 skyrocket once the hair goes into telogen phase. I can only assume that its high levels stay there while the hair is in resting phase.





not against it.... this all started with that stupid interview which lasted 40 minutes and answered ZERO questions. Now we're stuck here theorizing about HSC among themselves which does no good

IMO all the interviews are crap....

Vague, with glimmers of hope, and more vagueness...

I really wanted spencer to ask about PG levels, because its the big talking point at the moment. They must have some idea, they must remove some follicles and put it under a microscope.

In a previous interview, they said they are very interested in discoveries outside of the Histogen labs. And they even mentioned dr cots...

Whether it works or not we'll see. Its still at least 2-3 years away, and we have to keep our hair now. Im still not sure HSC is the complete answer for sleeping follicles, which brings me to my next point...

I think we need two things...a topical that binds to DHT receptors, and the dreaded PGd2 receptor. I need it now....are you buying any 2020? I really think its the future of maintaining hair....my diffuse thinning might yield good results.

[2020]

I think we need two things...a topical that binds to DHT receptors, and the dreaded PGd2 receptor. I need it now....are you buying any 2020? I really think its the future of maintaining hair....my diffuse thinning might yield good results.

no I'm not taking anything at the moment... I'm very interested in equol at the moment so if I could get it cheap somewhere I would take it and just forget about hair loss until 2015.

If you need a PGD2 blocker then go to HLH and buy it... there is a group buy going on so you could probably get it at a very good price

[neversaynever]

what about RU58841?? I need to do something about DHT too.

[Maradona]

IMO all the interviews are crap....
Whether it works or not we'll see.

It works:



At least to "some degree". 360 degree that is.

Its still at least 2-3 years away, and we have to keep our hair now. Im still not sure HSC is the complete answer for sleeping follicles, which brings me to my next point...

Exactly, that is why we need to keep our hair at all costs. If you had no sides on fin, more power to you. Those with PFS or those who had some sides like me, should try something else to keep as much hair as we can.

I think we need two things...a topical that binds to DHT receptors, and the dreaded PGd2 receptor. I need it now....are you buying any 2020? I really think its the future of maintaining hair....my diffuse thinning might yield good results.

We have the topical already. The strongest and most efficient, relatively speaking, anti-androgen topical is RU. I'm jumping on it soon.
For some it STOPPED their shedding COLD TURKEY. You just have to know how to apply it, store it, etc. It's hard work but worth it and that RU may be all you need.

As for PGD2, there are people working on it in many forums. 2020 is one of the top dogs behind PGD2, I really don't have the time to research on it. I'm only taking care of the DHT part for you guys that don't wanna jump on fin.

WE MUST KEEP OUR HAIR AT ALL COSTS FOR 4 YEARS, 4 YEARS OF HARD WORK.

THAT IS OUR EVIL MASTER PLAN !

[Tracy C]

Dont act as if they are the cure.

This all depends on how one defines what a "True Cure" is. However, using my own definition of what a "True Cure" is, Replicel's treatment is the only one that has true potential to actually be a true cure for hereditary hair loss.

Histogen are the only company who look like they have something.

Thus far, Histogen, Replicel, Aderans and Allergan all have something that works. They each do different things in different ways and they each yield varying results. The most important point though is that they all work. This is a good thing. It is pointless to bash one over he other like this is some kind of football game.

Gho's HST, though limited, is also beneficial for many.

Thus far, Dr. Gho's treatment is not much more beneficial than any other gifted surgeons work.

[neversaynever]

This all depends on how one defines what a "True Cure" is. However, using my own definition of what a "True Cure" is, Replicel's treatment is the only one that has true potential to actually be a true cure for hereditary hair loss.





Thus far, Histogen, Replicel, Aderans and Allergan all have something that works. They each do different things in different ways and they each yield varying results. The most important point though is that they all work. This is a good thing. It is pointless to bash one over he other like this is some kind of football game.





Thus far, Dr. Gho's treatment is not much more beneficial than any other gifted surgeons work.

Thus far, replicel hasnt even outperformed fin. Maybe they will, but you or I dont know for sure. Sure, its potentially the only cure.

Thus far, it is not pointless when some clearly work better than others, which is the entire point of all of this...the best performer.

Thus far, Dr Gho is performing a procedure that even Dr cole is looking into (hes been trying his own methods). It needs to improve, but it would change the HT industry, whether you like it or not.

A cure is a cure, it doesnt need defining, in medical terms.

[Tracy C]

Thus far, replicel hasnt even outperformed fin. Maybe they will, but you or I dont know for sure. Sure, its potentially the only cure.

There is so much more to it than simply one outperforming another.

Thus far, it is not pointless when some clearly work better than others, which is the entire point of all of this...the best performer.

There is so much more to it than simply one outperforming another.

You guy's seem to want all or nothing and who cares if it lasts or not. Women will accept every little bit of help we can get - but we would prefer a true cure that will last for the rest of our lives over a more effective treatment that last a few years. We don't mind combining treatments if that's what it takes.

Thus far, Dr Gho...

...whether you like it or not.

Why is it that so many of you cannot understand or accept appropriate scientific skepticism?

A cure is a cure...

It's not that simple. Different people define what a cure is in different ways. In true medical terms, Replicel's treatment is the only one with the potential to be a true cure.

[neversaynever]

There is so much more to it than simply one outperforming another.





There is so much more to it than simply one outperforming another.

You guy's seem to want all or nothing and who cares if it lasts or not. Women will accept every little bit of help we can get - but we would prefer a true cure that will last for the rest of our lives over a more effective treatment that last a few years. We don't mind combining treatments if that's what it takes.





Why is it that so many of you cannot understand or accept appropriate scientific skepticism?





It's not that simple. Different people define what a cure is in different ways. In true medical terms, Replicel's treatment is the only one with the potential to be a true cure.

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She probably would have cried.

[stilted]

Why is it that so many of you cannot understand or accept appropriate scientific skepticism?

Um, like, say the straight-forward empirical data that shows Replicel just doesn't work?

[TrueGround]

Um, like, say the straight-forward empirical data that shows Replicel just doesn't work?

Just because you use the words "empirical data" in a sentence doesn't mean you know what the the hell you're talking about, in regards to this treatment. Give it AT LEAST a year before you start completely bashing it. Then you can wine all you want about your empirical data.

You guys need to stop bashing Tracy C. I know she defends herself pretty aggressively at times, but that's probably natural when people ATTACK her. She seems more diligently educated than most, so I would (I do) respect what she has to say.

She's a female experiencing hair loss, can you imagine how much more difficult that would be to deal with?

Be real f*cking men and leave her alone.