Aderans

[Alf]

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4181/aderanstimeline.jpg

So it seems like phase 3 lasts as long as phase 2.

So maybe late 2014 or 2015 is realistic.

[Alf]

I'm located on Columbus Ohio, called Radiant Research up in Akron OH. I was put on the waiting list for Aderan's clinical trials.. I doubt I'll get selected but it's worth a shot.

Do you know how many times you have to show up on the clinic?

And at least some of the phase 3 participants must get the full work, full head of hair? Or will they not start testing that before phase 3 is finished?

[hellouser]

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4...nstimeline.jpg

So it seems like phase 3 lasts as long as phase 2.

So maybe late 2014 or 2015 is realistic.

That image is taken from the video presentation on aderans website. The dude doing the presentation said a commercial product would be ready in early 2014.

I like to stay open/optimistic but theres also the reality that things may go wrong and delays may occur. I'd like it to be early 2013 instead or RIGHT NOW but 2014 isnt too far off if what he said is true (or guaranteed).

[Alf]

That image is taken from the video presentation on aderans website. The dude doing the presentation said a commercial product would be ready in early 2014.

I know just wanted to show the length of phase 3. And it seems like they at the moment are 3/4 of a year behind the 2010 presentation. phase 2 finishes february 2013 and not in the middle of 2012.

[hellouser]

I know just wanted to show the length of phase 3. And it seems like they at the moment are 3/4 of a year behind the 2010 presentation. phase 2 finishes february 2013 and not in the middle of 2012.

According to the clinical trials website, yes, February 2013 is the final time for all of their Phase II trials. If Phase III takes a year to complete, Aderans will be right on schedule for their early 2014 projected date. I have no doubt in my mind that a quick roll out for the general public will be possible given their acquisition of Bosly/HairClub. I would assume that if Phase II trials went as planned, they would probably start preparing their commercial product within the time Phase III trials were taking place and get an immediate product for sale, thus satisfying many of their investors and dominating the market completely all of their acquired clinics and make a boat load of profits... as much as their solution is to improve the quality of life for bald/balding men, theyre still a business so profits are still a top priority.... and you know when money is involved they will hurry to get it.

[TravisB]

Can someone tell me why this Aderans thing is so hyped? As far as I know their first results were poor (remember the photos?).

There is no chance that it could be as good as a transplant, is there?

Or will it work similar to Histogen, i. e. it will help people who still have fair amount of miniaturised hair, but no slick bald spots?

[Alf]

According to the clinical trials website, yes, you know when money is involved they will hurry to get it.

And will be first in line handing them whatever they want.

[Alf]

Can someone tell me why this Aderans thing is so hyped? As far as I know their first results were poor (remember the photos?).

I know the photos made me think that this will never happen soon enough to make me their customer. But as I said earlier, I trust Bald-Halftruth
http://www.************/hair-loss/fo...st_answer.html

And if they get 5 vissible hairs with one injection, there is hope that more injections, and better injections will make people hairy.

of course it might be that Bald-halftruth lied, or that there were something else that made the hair grow.

[hellouser]

I know the photos made me think that this will never happen soon enough to make me their customer. But as I said earlier, I trust Bald-Halftruth
http://www.************/hair-loss/fo...st_answer.html

And if they get 5 vissible hairs with one injection, there is hope that more injections, and better injections will make people hairy.

of course it might be that Bald-halftruth lied, or that there were something else that made the hair grow.

Keep in mind that thread/post is from 2009. Its been three years since the discussion took place and if true, a 25% increase in hair was achieved 3 years ago which one could assume that since that time improvements have been made. Aderans claimed a 62% increase in hair count back in 2010;



Thats pretty damn impressive, I don't think their results could have gotten any worse, but even if 25% thats still impressive.

Heres the link to their 2010 presentation, some interesting stuff to listen to:

http://www.aderansresearch.com/presentation/

[Alf]

Keep in mind that thread/post is from 2009. Its been three years since the discussion took place and if true, a 25% increase in hair was achieved 3 years ago which one could assume that since that time improvements have been made. Aderans claimed a 62% increase in hair count back in 2010;


Thats pretty damn impressive, I don't think their results could have gotten any worse, but even if 25% thats still impressive.

Heres the link to their 2010 presentation, some interesting stuff to listen to:

http://www.aderansresearch.com/presentation/

Yes its impressive as hell.,but I don't know why they are claiming the increase in hair in percentage, shouldn't they rather count hairs cause the method should be independent of the number of hairs in the injection area?

[hellouser]

Yes its impressive as hell.,but I don't know why they are claiming the increase in hair in percentage, shouldn't they rather count hairs cause the method should be independent of the number of hairs in the injection area?

Its probably better they use percentages rather than numbers, each individual is going to respond differently to the treatment, so its probably an average response. In a square inch of scalp, one person may have 10 hairs another may have 50 hairs... it may depend on the severity of hairloss per person... it may be that the person with 10 hairs only sees 5 new hairs (50%) and the other sees 25 new hairs (75 total, again 50%). I don't think we'll know the details until this years announcement from them... or next years. We'll have to wait and see, but so far it looks pretty good!

[Sogeking]

Its probably better they use percentages rather than numbers, each individual is going to respond differently to the treatment, so its probably an average response. In a square inch of scalp, one person may have 10 hairs another may have 50 hairs... it may depend on the severity of hairloss per person... it may be that the person with 10 hairs only sees 5 new hairs (50%) and the other sees 25 new hairs (75 total, again 50%). I don't think we'll know the details until this years announcement from them... or next years. We'll have to wait and see, but so far it looks pretty good!

Yeah but percentages are too relative. If you had 10 hairs in the area which is shown in the square on that picture and you get 62% total hair count (which can consist of velus hair as well) your final result is 16 hair. But if you had 30 hairs than the total hair count is around 48 hairs. Why am I telling you this, because if they can gro 6 new hairs that won't be much of an improvement so basically for a small number of hairs in a given are they should have total hair count well over 100%. That would be a really good treatment in my book.

I always thought of Aderans as a treatment meant to boost the looks of HTs and my biggest fear is that they will sell it as such. But I still think it will be a treatment with moderate results. Won't give you your hair back but it will make some cosmetical change...

[UK_]

wow I cant believe this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/tony-scott-dead-top-gun-director-obituary_n_1808583.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

Sorry has nothing to do with Aderans, I just really liked his films.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Yeah but percentages are too relative. If you had 10 hairs in the area which is shown in the square on that picture and you get 62% total hair count (which can consist of velus hair as well) your final result is 16 hair. But if you had 30 hairs than the total hair count is around 48 hairs. Why am I telling you this, because if they can gro 6 new hairs that won't be much of an improvement so basically for a small number of hairs in a given are they should have total hair count well over 100%. That would be a really good treatment in my book.

I always thought of Aderans as a treatment meant to boost the looks of HTs and my biggest fear is that they will sell it as such. But I still think it will be a treatment with moderate results. Won't give you your hair back but it will make some cosmetical change...

If it can regrow the hair follicle, then there will be unlimited donor supply - in which case you will get your hair back.

[Joker]

Hi guys, spoke with the clinical trial coordinator today. I have some news to break.

Our conversation was very short. Applicants need to be off Propecia for at least 1 year to be eligible. Before our conversation ended, however, I asked her how the trial was going. I also asked what phase they were in.

....

Per her knowledge, we're in Phase 3 boys!!!

First she said "I believe this is Phase 3." Then she said "This is Phase 3." And then she said "I guess the only difference is if you get in on this trial they will pay you for the treatment. Otherwise you'll have to wait and then you'll pay them for the treatment."

I would love it if someone else could call their local center to corroborate/verify this.