Is HASCI for real?

[damielmillo]

Ok, great...if you can...ask him if they are able to do 1700 or more grafts in one procedure if we have a good donor area...
Thanks!!!

[NeedHairASAP]

2 weeks mate

you should suggest to Gho, in a friendly way, that maybe he can put up more proof? He'll probably respond saying he showed macro photography of regrowth in tattooed areas, but if there is anything he could do, he should do it.


If anybody has any idea of a better way to prove regrowth than is shown in the peer reviewed article, please post your suggestions here..


CV and REESE may want to suggest what would give them more peace of mind than the peer reviewed article allows for-- I mean this politely

[maxhair]

So did you miss this close up picture http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/...onor%20010.jpg

What do you mean by insisting on better photos? Gho didn't take them. I've taken all of my own photos.

I'm seeing about seven brown spots with hairs present in them, in the top right hand part of the shaved area.

Is that the proof that hairs are growing in the donor area?

Is that the proof that a partial follicular unit has been extracted?

I am certain this will not be convincing Spencer. It certainly isn't convincing me.

I've met Gho, and I don't trust him.

Cooley was more believable with autocloning, and he was full of it, as I know first hand.

Now, Gho doing 0.6mm FUEs that work? That is an achievement - but where is the proof of even that? We need a video of the 0.6mm punch going in, and then a follow up showing robust growth in the recipient site.

Get Gho to do a live surgery on the bald truth - and if he can convince Spencer, then bring it on.

Gho needs the business, so what's stopping him?

Also, he wants to sell the technique and tools to other surgeons, so he needs to show it working.

Guys - please, wise up, and hold these charlatans to account.

Whether Gho is paying Spencer's fee or not, Spencer should demonstrate he is willing to acknowledge things that work, if Gho is prepared to demonstrate it.

Spencer and Gho need to get it on - a put up or shut up ultimatum, from us, via Spencer, to the man making the claims.

That is all.

[gc83uk]

I'm seeing about seven brown spots with hairs present in them, in the top right hand part of the shaved area.

Is that the proof that hairs are growing in the donor area?

Is that the proof that a partial follicular unit has been extracted?

I am certain this will not be convincing Spencer. It certainly isn't convincing me.

I've met Gho, and I don't trust him.

Cooley was more believable with autocloning, and he was full of it, as I know first hand.

Now, Gho doing 0.6mm FUEs that work? That is an achievement - but where is the proof of even that? We need a video of the 0.6mm punch going in, and then a follow up showing robust growth in the recipient site.

Get Gho to do a live surgery on the bald truth - and if he can convince Spencer, then bring it on.

Gho needs the business, so what's stopping him?

Also, he wants to sell the technique and tools to other surgeons, so he needs to show it working.

Guys - please, wise up, and hold these charlatans to account.

Whether Gho is paying Spencer's fee or not, Spencer should demonstrate he is willing to acknowledge things that work, if Gho is prepared to demonstrate it.

Spencer and Gho need to get it on - a put up or shut up ultimatum, from us, via Spencer, to the man making the claims.

That is all.

To be frank I don't think Gho 'needs' the business, he is already selling his technique in the far east and getting booked into one of the European clinics is months ahead.

I can't show you anything else, if you can't be convinced then hey ho.

[Reece]

CV and REESE may want to suggest what would give them more peace of mind than the peer reviewed article allows for-- I mean this politely[/QUOTE]

Thank you for being reasonable as skepticism is human nature when something with this potential is available. I'm not gonna lie, demonstrating donor regeneration seems to be quite difficult and subjective. I've heard different ranges of regeneration from different surgeons so quite frankly a consistent assessment from peers, macro photo/tattoo, and quantity of results in general would continue to attract me to the technique.

I may not have as much time vested in this research as some users but, I think from the information I've gathered we can agree on the benefits

1. Quick recovery
2. No scarring
3. Variable regeneration=increased donor supply

Again I don't mean to offend, these are just my consumer opinions. I assure you I am not a naysayer, just a guy who doesn't have thousands of dollars or multiple scalps to risk on the newest procedure only offered by one man. I also agree that if this were offered in the us by other trusted surgeons that it would mitigate the skepticism. Now the reasons for the ht surgeons not picking up the technique seem unknown but, the fact that they are holds some weight. I mean we have some fairly progressive surgeons domestically so naturally that doesn't help Ghos argument.

To be honest I think we are on the brink, whether its a variation of Ghos technique or one of the stem cell solutions. I believe in replicel even more now because of the idea that Gho has seen some regeneration leaving the dermal sheath but....i am still reluctant to spend the $ to fly out to Gho multiple times all while dealing with language barriers and tens of thousands of dollars. Just.my thoughts.

I appreciate the educated discussions and opinions. I know we are all in it for the same reasons.

[NeedHairASAP]

I'm seeing about seven brown spots with hairs present in them, in the top right hand part of the shaved area.

Is that the proof that hairs are growing in the donor area?

yes, and there are more than seven

Is that the proof that a partial follicular unit has been extracted?

uhh? well.. if there are "brown spots", that many could easily assume are the scars, along with "hairs present", then it's probably good to assume a partial follicular unit has been extracted... or has regrown. Call me crazy.

I am certain this will not be convincing Spencer. It certainly isn't convincing me.

hahahaha... no way, anything but that!

I've met Gho, and I don't trust him.

ok.........?

Cooley was more believable with autocloning, and he was full of it, as I know first hand.

More convincing? how? Gho has

- multiple peer-reviewed journals leading up to the current marketed technique

-a few people happy with the procedure, between the dutch and english forums

-20 videos on youtube of people getting the procedure

- and multiple procedures done Famous people such as a soccer player, a german idol contestant, and a Tour De France winner.


What exactly did Cooley put out? a press release?


Now, Gho doing 0.6mm FUEs that work? yes, lol That is an achievement - but where is the proof of even that? lol, again, see the 4 or 5 peer reviewed articles sstarting in 1998 We need a video of the 0.6mm punch going in, and then a follow up showing robust growth in the recipient site. this is a good idea. Maybe GC can tell Gho that a test on one single FU would be best

Get Gho to do a live surgery on the bald truth - and if he can convince Spencer, then bring it on.

uhh.. what is with the Spencer thing?

Gho needs the business, so what's stopping him?

He needs exposure, and than expansion, currently he doesnt need business

Also, he wants to sell the technique and tools to other surgeons, so he needs to show it working.

with? peer reviewed articles?

Guys - please, wise up, and hold these charlatans to account.

Whether Gho is paying Spencer's fee or not, Spencer should demonstrate he is willing to acknowledge things that work, if Gho is prepared to demonstrate it.

Spencer should press harder. His last interview was good, but apparently not good enough for many people. Take it up with him, instead of bashing Gho with less evidence against him than we currently have for him

Spencer and Gho need to get it on - a put up or shut up ultimatum, from us, via Spencer, to the man making the claims.

That is all.

Conclusion: Spencer should push for a single follicular unit experiment.

[NeedHairASAP]

http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/dad01225-0ceb-4a30-90c4-771ed900f25aHSI%20-%20Artikel_Gho%20Neumann.pdf

the graph at the top of page 2 shows they pretty much did areas of 150 grafts..with data results.. .. but I guess this is all fabricated?

page 4 shows you an example of the .06 graft compared to a 1.0 graft -- this is practically what you're asking for when you ask for proof he can do a .06 graft.

page 8 has some really good tattood areas that all you guys are asking for (its not a one FU experiment but close)










Does this excerpt sound like a liar wrote it?


"Multiplication of the hairs
If we assume that the number of hairs left behind in the donor area (Table VI, column b) were the visible hairs directly after the extraction (Table II, column d) plus the visible hairs in the unsuitable incomplete follicular unit grafts (Table I, column g), the number of hairs which are multiplied varied between 169 and 271 hairs (mean 212.4 hairs) (Table VI, column f). This means a multiplication rate between 83.2% and 102.1% (mean 93.3%) (Table VI, column g)."


source: page 9, http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloa...%20Neumann.pdf

[CVAZBAR]

No medication as such, only minox, I haven't really been using it if i'm honest, might remember once a week to spray some on.

Hi neversaynever, I had HSI, which is basically the same as HST except with hsi, the hair is 'injected' into the scalp at the same time as the hole in the scalp is made. I think with hst, the hole is created first and then the hair is inserted later. That's the simplest form of explanation, there is a load more detail at hasci.com

Thanks! Im interested to see your progress without an anti-androgen.

[CVAZBAR]

you should suggest to Gho, in a friendly way, that maybe he can put up more proof? He'll probably respond saying he showed macro photography of regrowth in tattooed areas, but if there is anything he could do, he should do it.


If anybody has any idea of a better way to prove regrowth than is shown in the peer reviewed article, please post your suggestions here..


CV and REESE may want to suggest what would give them more peace of mind than the peer reviewed article allows for-- I mean this politely

Never did I say there was zero evidence. Not sure where you got that from. I just said I was not in 100%. If you've seen all you have to see to get it done, that's great. Ill be excited to follow your progress and maybe I'll get closer to that 100. Like I said, I rather follow you since you are a regular here. I you do go with it, I wish you the best. Maybe I'll be next, I just like to take my time.

[RichardDawkins]

Yadda Yadda bla bla

I am not 00% sold bla bla. You are not sold because you are just an ignorant person who is ignoring the following things

1) lesser downtime
2) no shotgun scars

Ahh ahhh ahh bla bla i am CVAZBAR and i am not 100% sold..... ell then you are just stupid cause even compared to FUE this HST is superior in downtime and scarring.

Even if you would not take donor regeneration into counting, HST is superior and you and your dimwits tell me they are not sold.

Guess what buddy, get yourself a nice FUT at Bosley, get a hair tattoo by rassman afterwards and then cry later and search for a cheap surgeon who can do repair work.

Cause you are 100% sold on this

[CVAZBAR]

Yadda Yadda bla bla

I am not 00% sold bla bla. You are not sold because you are just an ignorant person who is ignoring the following things

1) lesser downtime
2) no shotgun scars

Ahh ahhh ahh bla bla i am CVAZBAR and i am not 100% sold..... ell then you are just stupid cause even compared to FUE this HST
is superior in downtime and scarring.

Even if you would not take donor regeneration into counting, HST is superior and you and your dimwits tell me they are not sold.
Guess what buddy, get yourself a nice FUT at Bosley, get a hair tattoo by rassman afterwards and then cry later and search for a cheap surgeon who can do repair work.
Cause you are 100% sold on this

Hahaha I don't take clowns like you serious. You ****ing low life! Everyone knows you talk your shit because you're behind the computer, probably hiding in a ****ing cave. Its easy to point out pussies like you. Cry all you want bitch, I don't give a shit what you think.

You guys want to know how much of a lame Richie Dorkins is?

The clown states that I'm completely ignoring the limited scarring hahaha???? I thought I made it clear that this would be the reason why I would go to Gho ha.

There you have it folks! I present to you, Richard Dawkins!

[RichardDawkins]

Well for the fact that you dont care about me, you scream a lot :-)

[NeedHairASAP]

did we ever confirm that maxhair is rassman?

[RichardDawkins]

No Rassman has become very silent on his blog strangely :-)

No more HM attacks, at least not that harsh anymore. I wonder what happened.

He even believes that HM must bring your density back. Yeah yeah right Rassman, was the fire too much to handle, when patients educate surgeons

But yeah maxhair seems to be one of Rassmans last Army guys :-)

[maxhair]

No Rassman has become very silent on his blog strangely :-)

No more HM attacks, at least not that harsh anymore. I wonder what happened.

He even believes that HM must bring your density back. Yeah yeah right Rassman, was the fire too much to handle, when patients educate surgeons

But yeah maxhair seems to be one of Rassmans last Army guys :-)

I understand why you want to be optimistic about a procedure that might work, as I was before I wasted a load of money with Cooley on "autocloning" - it sucks to be young and bald and not a candidate for a traditional HT - but it sucks even more to be all of those things and down several thousand pounds, dollars or euros.