CB-03-01 - new antiandrogenic

[Conpecia]

and dude, we have been wondering about the fin/dut thing. i have read a study in which gyno was less in dut than fin. 50% less actually. no one knows why, we all have the same belief as you with regard to the estrogen effects of blocking dht, but the study showed otherwise...

[yan]

yeah it's gotta be gyno, my chest hurts like hell. constantly. and i developed big nips and sagging ... breasts for lack of a better word. but the pain is the worst, i could give a **** less about the other stuff, just lose weight, you know? but it hurts really bad, like a horrible toothache in your nip man

Ok that really doesn`t sound good.

I mean you got not much other options left, so you might give dut a go. I wouldn`t, but its up to you... Anyway, wish you the best if you decide to start!

[chimera]

yeah it's gotta be gyno, my chest hurts like hell. constantly. and i developed big nips and sagging ... breasts for lack of a better word. but the pain is the worst, i could give a **** less about the other stuff, just lose weight, you know? but it hurts really bad, like a horrible toothache in your nip man

Wait a minute, if your only problem is gyno, I think there are things like tomoxifen in cream form which work pretty good for gyno, and is sides-free

[Conpecia]

also progesterone cream was recommended to me, but i haven't tried either. kind of sketched out about fighting side effects from one drug with another drug. really wish this CB would just ****ing work...

[Conpecia]

i have some letrozole as well but again i'm scared to use it because of an estrogen rebound and the side effects may be pretty bad. that stuff is powerful.

edit: actually **** it guys, i'm going to get surgery on the gyno and then i'll be able to take propecia again. it doesn't return after surgery. i'll just maintain a good weight.

[yan]

Btw. just a short story. One of my friends tried fin and had some minor sides. He was the only person I recommended not to use fin anymore, because he really looks like Ljungberg. :P He always shaved it kind of low, but atm like blade 1. And he looks really good. Last weekend he thanked me for my advice. He is happy now and to be honest, I envy him for being happy bald. :P
But as I said, it largely depends on your look (headshape, tan, muscles etc...)

I have several friends who are nearly bald, but I work in the security branch and those guys are all really self confident, muscular and everything. The shaved baldies I know are far more happier than NW 3+ who try to hide their hairloss.

I have my biggest respect for people who just shave it short and live happy. There are also some I know which began to shave after NW2.5 and kept it really really short since then (Blade 1). I envy them, although I shave it too, but only to Blade #4-6. Never managed to shave everything down.

[Conpecia]

guys, is gynecomastia not supposed to hurt? doing some research on it now and realizing i might actually have a bigger issue. kind of freaked out. mine has hurt off and on pretty regularly for about a year and a half now... sometimes really bad.

[yan]

guys, is gynecomastia not supposed to hurt? doing some research on it now and realizing i might actually have a bigger issue. kind of freaked out. mine has hurt off and on pretty regularly for about a year and a half now... sometimes really bad.

It is supposed to hurt, especially if you press your nipples... But most important sign is if you start to feel hard tissue underneath your nipple, which grows.

[Conpecia]

It is supposed to hurt, especially if you press your nipples... But most important sign is if you start to feel hard tissue underneath your nipple, which grows.

ok. in all honesty it hurts much less since quitting fin this past january, but still flairs up. strangely it tends to flare up when i have acid reflux for whatever reason, like my throat and nips flare up when i eat spicy foods.

either way i think i'm gonna get surgery next month. insurance will most likely cover it if i go to my doctor and tell him it's hurting. i already did that once a year ago so hopefully that's good testimony to deal with the insurance company...

[clandestine]

i have some letrozole as well but again i'm scared to use it because of an estrogen rebound and the side effects may be pretty bad. that stuff is powerful.

edit: actually **** it guys, i'm going to get surgery on the gyno and then i'll be able to take propecia again. it doesn't return after surgery. i'll just maintain a good weight.

Conpecia; Gynecomastia can absolutely return after surgery. Please research.

[hiilikeyourbeard]

this is gonna sound so homosexual and i promise it's not lol but i have no one to talk to about hairloss and it's killing me. i can only read so much on here and share so much but i just need someone to talk to about it i think, my friends are a bunch of douche bags and don't really understand. anyone wanna chat on skype or somethin?

[hellouser]

Woa, that's actually pretty cheap. And I was worrying they were going to be very expensive, a couple of hundreds at least.

Do you know CB's molecular weight?, maybe a very, very hardcore sesion of dermaroller could help...

Molecular weight of CB is about 400-500 I think, or just slightly above 500, so more or less at the breaking point of the maximum weight.

As far as I know, dermarolling should allow molecules with a weight of up to 10,000 dalton to pass through skin.

I've mentioned this before, but if thats true, then BNP-32 would easily be able to penetrate skin as its weight is 3,464, which is no surprise why nobody got results using it with lubrajel... too heavy!

Dermarolling for CB should make it really, REALLY easy to pass it through skin. I'll continue to dermaroll myself once a week and apply CB on all days outside of my rolling session.

Hopefully I can thicken up my hair back to what it was a few years ago and maybe, MAYBE fill in the temples a little bit (a few mm and I'd be pretty excitied, this way I'd know im regrowing and maintaining and would definitely go for an HT with Gho for at least some regeneration or Pilofocus should it prove regen). I just need my temples filled in, I dont have any bald spots anywhere else, just general thinning.

[SOTF]

And this is one reason amongst many why it's clear to me finasteride side effects are the result of reading forum posts.

The difference in serum DHT @ .25 vs 1 in a propecia/proscar tab is negligible. The dosage vs. it's effects are pretty flat with this drug. If you are crippled by these terrible, terrible sides, taking 1 mg you would be experiencing about the same with .25 mg.

[Avacfc]

i have some letrozole as well but again i'm scared to use it because of an estrogen rebound and the side effects may be pretty bad. that stuff is powerful.

edit: actually **** it guys, i'm going to get surgery on the gyno and then i'll be able to take propecia again. it doesn't return after surgery. i'll just maintain a good weight.

I had gyno surgery 6 weeks ago which was due to propecia. I will never touch it again after the pain effort i had to go through to get it removed. Have surgery done and just stick to cet untill something else becomes available, seems to be working for me. You will get so much more confidence once those damned lumps are removed i promise you.

[clandestine]

Conpecia; Gynecomastia can absolutely return after surgery. Please research this.