Histogen Update - Spencer Kobren Speaks With Dr. Craig L. Ziering

[Relentless]

Breathe in some radiation, then go die in several feet of water, you mindless waste of flesh.

**** off?

(10char)

[Thinning@30]

Have the phase II trials even started yet? The Histogen website says these will begin early 2011 and its now March 2011. I'm worried. I also saw that the projected release date is now 2014 rather than 2013. I understand delays are inevitable, but I really hope I can get some hair back while I'm still relatively young.

[UK_]

Have the phase II trials even started yet? The Histogen website says these will begin early 2011 and its now March 2011. I'm worried. I also saw that the projected release date is now 2014 rather than 2013. I understand delays are inevitable, but I really hope I can get some hair back while I'm still relatively young.

Phase II begins in spring (end of May) according to Gail Naughton. But generally, I think the projection date for the next viable treatment remains 5 - 10 years, you'll be very lucky to get anything sooner.

[GBB]

Have the phase II trials even started yet? The Histogen website says these will begin early 2011 and its now March 2011. I'm worried. I also saw that the projected release date is now 2014 rather than 2013. I understand delays are inevitable, but I really hope I can get some hair back while I'm still relatively young.

Anyone got any concrete news on this yet? Guys who receive their updates/newsletters?

[RichardDawkins]

No one has :-)

Just dont pay attention to UK_ or others because all we know right no is that there is a deadline for 2014 asia and some time later western market.

I would stick with that until further news will rise and shine

[UK_]

No one has :-)

Just dont pay attention to UK_ or others because all we know right no is that there is a deadline for 2014 asia and some time later western market.

I would stick with that until further news will rise and shine

This is the third consecutive time you have mentioned my name in a post with no provocation on my behalf, I suggest you stop it, you are seriously one psychologically bent and beat-up individual. Take your hair loss pains out on someone else and stop moaning at the fact your hope in these 'miracle' treatments is the closest thing to pissing in the wind.

I am sorry it pains you to come to terms with the fact that your predictions and optimism regarding some of the potential treatments being studied now have no basis in objective reality (excluding those treatments that have demonstrated positive effects through controlled studies), but please, enough with the petty comments.

[Jcm800]

This is the third consecutive time you have mentioned my name in a post with no provocation on my behalf, I suggest you stop it, you are seriously one psychologically bent and beat-up individual, take your hair loss pains out on someone else and stop moaning at the fact your hope in these 'miracle' treatments is the closest thing to pissing in the wind.

Not being funny UK_ but it's not nice is it when someone has a pop at you?

We didn't provoke your wrath on the TRX2 thread when you chimed in several weeks back either, but you insisted on calling us 'retards' to begin with.

Anyway, we're all in the same shitty position.

Peace love and happiness

[RichardDawkins]

This is the third consecutive time you have mentioned my name in a post with no provocation on my behalf, I suggest you stop it, you are seriously one psychologically bent and beat-up individual. Take your hair loss pains out on someone else and stop moaning at the fact your hope in these 'miracle' treatments is the closest thing to pissing in the wind.

I am sorry it pains you to come to terms with the fact that your predictions and optimism regarding some of the potential treatments being studied now have no basis in objective reality (excluding those treatments that have demonstrated positive effects through controlled studies), but please, enough with the petty comments.

I didnt attack you, but if this shoe fits. All i said was, she should ignore everyone until further details will rise and shine because right now YOU and I dont know jackshit about a timeline.

But to make it clear, you are more sociopathic because you flip sides so fast from "Histogen my savior" to "Histogen has failed" i think you can stuck this " 5 or 10 years crap elsewhere" but i wont argue with someone who calls other people retards, which is just stupid and uneducated.

nd if you attack others you have to know the fact that someone will attack you, easy as that :-)

[HairTalk]

Have the phase II trials even started yet? The Histogen website says these will begin early 2011 and its now March 2011. I'm worried. I also saw that the projected release date is now 2014 rather than 2013. I understand delays are inevitable, but I really hope I can get some hair back while I'm still relatively young.

As I understand (and I'd appreciate Dr. Ziering's clarifying this, if necessary), the results Histogen currently (as of March, 2011) has, and has shared, on H.S.C. are from the pilot study (on 24 subjects) conducted in January, 2009. In other words, everything any of us can right now go by, with regard to H.S.C., is based on 12 treated patients.

I believe Dr. Ziering (in his interview, found in the first post of this thread) stated these subjects were analyzed at the two-year mark (Jan., 2011), and that these findings would be shared. I, along with many others, am eager to see these data, though I've not yet found them posted, anywhere.

It seems, now, Phase I/II trials of H.S.C. will be held in Singapore, starting Spring, 2011. I'm unsure of the precise dates, and I wonder if Dr. Ziering could supply these specifics.

I'd like to know what the breakdown of the study is to be, as well: 50, then 300, subjects will be involved, but what are the timeline and the framing? Is the plan to run safety trials on 50 subjects, and efficacy/dosing on 300? If so, are these to be undertaken simultaneously? Will all subjects be men suffering from androgenic alopecia? What class/es of baldness will be studied? Will H.S.C. be injected only into the crown or vertex areas, or into the temples or hairline, too?

I hope Dr. Ziering soon shares with us his two-year findings from H.S.C.'s pilot study, as well as a more detailed outline of how Histogen will proceed with testing of H.S.C.

[gmonasco]

In other words, everything any of us can right now go by, with regard to H.S.C., is based on 12 treated patients.

Exactly. Hope springs eternal ...

[UK_]

Not being funny UK_ but it's not nice is it when someone has a pop at you?

We didn't provoke your wrath on the TRX2 thread when you chimed in several weeks back either, but you insisted on calling us 'retards' to begin with.

Anyway, we're all in the same shitty position.

Peace love and happiness

Hang on a minute, who did I call a retard? I stated there is always a demand for products that do not have substantiated scientific evidence for their efficacy because of 'retarded consumers'. It is no different to stating there is always a demand for psuedo-scientific gurus and their life-long learning schemes because of the same retards that bite the hook. I am sorry you found my statement rather offensive, but nobody is perfect.

Define retard: "relatively slow in mental or emotional or physical development and reasoning".

You have to be pretty slow to believe a vitamin pill will cure yourself and humanity of hair loss. You have to be even slower to buy a 3 month supply for circa £90 on the basis of zero scientific evidence, just a study done by a PhD student does not suffice (i.e. where were the comparisons? How does it fair against propecia? Minoxidil?) But lets not go into the efficacy of TRX2, I am still waiting on peoples 3 month follow-up, and in all honesty I haven't seen anything convincing, and shall not assume that I ever will. I am here to discuss HSC and HSC only.

[mlao]

Those of us who have friends and family who are sometimes thoughtlessly referred to as retards or retarded take offense to the term. A number of posters use this term carelessly. It shows your ignorance.

[UK_]

I didnt attack you, but if this shoe fits. All i said was, she should ignore everyone until further details will rise and shine because right now YOU and I dont know jackshit about a timeline.

But to make it clear, you are more sociopathic because you flip sides so fast from "Histogen my savior" to "Histogen has failed" i think you can stuck this " 5 or 10 years crap elsewhere" but i wont argue with someone who calls other people retards, which is just stupid and uneducated.

nd if you attack others you have to know the fact that someone will attack you, easy as that :-)

Please see my previous post.

[UK_]

Those of us who have friends and family who are sometimes thoughtlessly referred to as retards or retarded take offense to the term. A number of posters use this term carelessly. It shows your ignorance.

That is rubbish, you would never jump to such a fuss if I used the term 'stupid' or 'dumb' what on earth is the difference? I know the PC police are on high alert these days but this is just ridiculous.

[mlao]

[QUOTE=UK_;24864]That is rubbish, you would never jump to such a fuss if I used the term 'stupid' or 'dumb' what on earth is the difference, I know the PC police are on high alert these days but this is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE

I guess you have never seen a mentally challenged person cry when someone uses that term. Stupid or dumb does not imply a condition.