Histogen Update - Spencer Kobren Speaks With Dr. Craig L. Ziering

[Bakez]

UK_ you shouldnt use too much of those LOL and Smileys it makes you seem to people like a total naive kid. And to a certain point it is really embarrassing me and maybe other people here. I think if some mods would delete stuff here, your counter would decrease more then hairloss on a NW7 guy, thats for sure.

Anyway using lol and smiley seems very ridicolous to me, you should stop with this its painful to read.I am actually more interested in seeing those promised resuls after four weeks, when it was said some time ago. Nope i dont agree with Dr Cole, never said that. You interpret to much. Well i did not sledgehammer your "arguments" i only show my perspective. Because iam not one of those "Yeah lets all be sad guys who use Smileys and LOL but in the night i cry bitter tears because i loose hair"

Even if i dont like Iron.Man he had give THE most accurate statement till now. "That the current generation of hairtransplants (follicle planting) is just a Pre Step to the infinite donor (hair multiplication what people generally think it is)" You can say that it took some generations of redefining hair transplants to get to a point where infinite Donor is actually possible.

And if you analyse it from a medical standpoint, the procedure or technique never changes but the performance does. First you had chunks of flesh in combination with doll hair plugs. After that you redefine the second step to get micrografts. At some point, someone had the idea to harvest the hair not in flesh chunks, instead just "stance" them out of the donor area (first generation problem Shotgun holes).

Then at some point in time FUE was developed without those huge shot gun holes. One thing which occured during several FUE transplants even in the past was, that sometimes in the donor area the follicle or more precisely the hair grew back as if it wasnt harvested. And now i can certainly say we are close at the brink of a changing future because now there are ambitions to make this extra ordinary thing called regrow, to a more or less standard procedure.

You just have to ask yourself the question " Why do grafts survive even if you maybe hit them hard and transect them"? the key is in fact the tissue with the genetic material which surrounds the hair (i mean the hair as a result and not the follicle itself only the visible hair). Also it is possible not to extract the whole hair and follicle STRUCTURES and provide hair regrow in the donor area with this technique.

The worst part here is, that Dr Cole in fact has some key elements for this to work, but i think he needs a little bit of motivation. Just remember, he uses his CIT by extracting follicles but not as deep like the normal FUE , also he witnessed new blood vessels after he uses Acell on this area.

So now just put all your hatred for my persona aside for one second and think this through.Try to imagine what would happen if you not stance out the whole follicle and his structure but instead you extract only the vital parts for hair to survive (tissue etc) and use an ECM for recipient and donor side and also "feed" the plucked or harvested hair with it.

What do you personally believe will happen? Thats a legitimate question, what do you personally believe? And then you will see why Dr Coles statement is more sad in a way for hairloss sufferers then it is accurate. I think the sad aspect of unused potential outweights everything else.

Can you please just shut up, you ruin every thread and reduce the chances of a real Dr actually posting something useful when they see this sort of crap on the forum.

[mlao]

i really miss Fixedby35

[LarryDavid]

SHUT UP both of you.
This is a Thread to talk about the interview and to talk to Craig Ziering. I dont think all your spam encourages him to talk here anymore.
Lets just wait for the pictures Ziering was talking about.

[mlao]

SHUT UP both of you.
This is a Thread to talk about the interview and to talk to Craig Ziering. I dont think all your spam encourages him to talk here anymore.
Lets just wait for the pictures Ziering was talking about.

A sane voice at last!

[RichardDawkins]

Well if both of you guys UK_ and Bakez dont understand this, well then i doubt that any doc here can give you guys an answer you will understand. Because thats exactly what current day hair multiplication is about, nothing more nothing less.

If you say that this is blah blah well i highly recommend you both guys to really leave hairloss boards :-) because you dont know anything about hair at all.

@ Bakez if you would be a person with half a functioning brain you would have seen in the past that Dr Hitzig did in fact agree with my ideas or what i was understanding about the whole situation ;-)

I dont think i ruin a thread here because i try to get you stubborn 23 year old pessimestic crybaby to finally realize what possible solutions are you know. And you know what destroys thread? People who say stuff like Bla Blah Yadda Yadda cause it contributes nothing at all.

I dont reduce the chance of docs actually answering here my friend, the opposite is the case because all my questions so far were answered why you keep on crying and post crazy crap at hair site which also shows me that you are not willing to understand just simple things.

Should i refresh your 23 years old memory Bakez? Ok then here we go

1) This was a Bakez response to Iron.Man who just started a thread with questions regarding Dr Hitzig, i have to admit the qzestions were packed in too much text but thats Iron.Man and its ok

Bakez: " You post is basically impossible to read. Shut the **** up. I think the ACell thing will fail as well, but I don't feel the need to write walls of meandering text and basically personally attacking Doctors.

Shut up and wait. Why is this guy still on the forum? "

The question here remains, why does Bakez register in february at hair site only to insult someone with the first posting (also this matter was Acell related)

2) In response of Dr Hitzigs Acell PRP fotos

Bakez : " I'm sorry, but these photos provide nothing other than enhancing my suspicions that this is just another massive swindle. "

But now its getting really interesting. Just remeber Bakez was saying that Hitzigs Acell PRP is a swindle. But guess what what he said when it comes to Dr Cole :-)

3) Who is cheering things up here?

Bakez : " DEFINITELY go with Dr Cole.

Dr Cole is the only person who has been posting absolutely clear and concise findings on ACell. Dr Hitzig is just posting sensationalist speculation, and the photos he displays are open to question - the ones Dr Cole has posted definitely aren't open to question and are as clear as day.

Dr Cole appears to also have vast (ie as much as anyone else at the moment) experience with ACell, he just hasn't done the plucking procedure trials. ( WAIT WHAT? I was under the impression that Dr Cole was against Acell and very sceptical so how can he be someone with vast experience)

If you would have been 95% close to having a transplant anyway even if this ACell thing hadn't come up, then go with Dr Cole. I see no reason to disbelieve Dr Cole's claims like I do with Hitzig. (Odd that Bakez gives no conclusive evidence WHY he believes Dr Cole and not Dr Hitzig)

Also my question is, what fotos are those two guys here refering to? The one single FUE foto with blood vessels?

Anyway its getting better and better

4) Now its getting interesting for a 23 year old hairloss sufferer who just has begun to gather informations he seems very confident.

Bakez : " Dr Hitzig has posted little evidence, its just speculation and dubious photos. He might be telling the truth but we dont know. (WE? more likely you alone because it seems that you didnt really pay attention to the scientific papers but ok you are 23 years old and in the beginning of a long journey at least in your case)

What we do know with Dr Cole is that you will get world class transplant regardless whether the ACell works, and he has posted no questionable photos with ACell, he documents scientifically and with no bias and what he has shown is exciting, but he still remains conservative in estimations (ie if he hasn't seen it happen with proof, then he won't claim 'the cure is almost here' like Hitzig seems to have). Therefore if it is anyone who you should trust it is Dr Cole. Infact he is the only Dr on that thread that I trust.

Well, well very smart for someone in the beginning :-) am i right

And now to the final part of our Bakez Journey

5) Bakez in action : " Forget about Hitzig for god sake. Just say to Dr Cole, give me a hair transplant and use ACell to see if you can get some extraction site regrowth. You will get a top class hair transplant anyway, as good as anywhere else in the world, and maybe some donor regrowth/good healing, and with a Dr that will scientifically evaluate the results.

Let Hitzig continue posting dubious photos if he wants."

Well i think you guys have to choose a side for real, on the one hand you guys say Dr Cole does document everything very well but on the other hand he has no interest in actually try plucking or FUE/CIT multiplication because he says "Where is the science"

And i know why you guys want me to shut up, because at least i stick with my opinion here.

Also your answers did show me one thing you guys are not mature and never will be. Because what Bakez has said in number 5) is exactly what i asked him to think about donor regeneration :-)

I think UK_ and Bakez you officially diqualified yourself from every credibility here, without my help i have to say.

I am not obsessed with hairloss but with the things how to actually overcome this, if it would be otherwise i would act like Bakez who, to me is the prime example of some desperate youngster who will sooner or later do something very bad. It al starts in general with hasty actions and the unwillingness to think straight for one second about your hair and its characteristics.

If you would actually take one second to think about what i wrote, you really would have answered a lot of questions yourself and then you would realize that in fact the whole " Where is the science" thing from Dr Cole is in fact more devastating for hairloss sufferers in general.

And this is a statement which remains true, i think Bakez will realize this someday and he will regret some of his postings, thats for sure.

My apologies to all readers here who feel offended or bored, but i think some things should be discussed in a serious and mature way without insulting people are answer with blah blah yaddah yaddah. This shows only that no one of you guys is actually willing to get along peaceful with this community here. I tried to teach you guys to a certain point what and how you could get infinite donor and you guys didnt listen to it so its your problem.

[UK_]

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

It just never ends with this guy.

However Richard, I must inform you that nothing in your previous post comes even close to refuting Dr Cole's statement. Try Harder.

Seriously, you need help, these treatments are not designed to help the insane.

[RichardDawkins]

Go on with your opinion. But i think it seems odd when you browse at Dr Coles site and just look at the latest or prominent featured Acell articles here.

1) January 2011 : Someone seems very enthusiastic http://www.hairlosspress.com/date/2011/01/

2) For Bakez and his Acell Fail storys

3) How do you explain the 92% with Acell usage vs 0% without using Acell

4) And here thats funny

it clearly says the following " .....In the future, it is possible that ECM could be used to re-grow extracted hair, potentially providing patients with an unlimited donor supply......

So why is his statement accurate again, when the opposite thing is prominently featured on his website ;-) Where is the science that he still features this hmm guys. Bakez do you have anything to say with regards to " Acell fails" no? Why not? Damn those 92% beard hair yield, right ;-)

Btw what Dr Cole says in one of the links above is exactly what i was aiming for

[CAlex]

No disrespect to anyone whose got family in the effected areas around the Earthquake/Tsunami BUT I am curiously/worried to know if histogens and follicas asia trials will be effected/stopped/postponed.

I realize this is not the ideal time to ask this question with everything that is going on but I get worried easily and I fear histogen might not proceed with trials now for a long time

[Bakez]

Well if both of you guys UK_ and Bakez dont understand this, well then i doubt that any doc here can give you guys an answer you will understand. Because thats exactly what current day hair multiplication is about, nothing more nothing less.

If you say that this is blah blah well i highly recommend you both guys to really leave hairloss boards :-) because you dont know anything about hair at all.

@ Bakez if you would be a person with half a functioning brain you would have seen in the past that Dr Hitzig did in fact agree with my ideas or what i was understanding about the whole situation ;-)

I dont think i ruin a thread here because i try to get you stubborn 23 year old pessimestic crybaby to finally realize what possible solutions are you know. And you know what destroys thread? People who say stuff like Bla Blah Yadda Yadda cause it contributes nothing at all.

I dont reduce the chance of docs actually answering here my friend, the opposite is the case because all my questions so far were answered why you keep on crying and post crazy crap at hair site which also shows me that you are not willing to understand just simple things.

Should i refresh your 23 years old memory Bakez? Ok then here we go

1) This was a Bakez response to Iron.Man who just started a thread with questions regarding Dr Hitzig, i have to admit the qzestions were packed in too much text but thats Iron.Man and its ok

Bakez: " You post is basically impossible to read. Shut the **** up. I think the ACell thing will fail as well, but I don't feel the need to write walls of meandering text and basically personally attacking Doctors.

Shut up and wait. Why is this guy still on the forum? "

The question here remains, why does Bakez register in february at hair site only to insult someone with the first posting (also this matter was Acell related)

2) In response of Dr Hitzigs Acell PRP fotos

Bakez : " I'm sorry, but these photos provide nothing other than enhancing my suspicions that this is just another massive swindle. "

But now its getting really interesting. Just remeber Bakez was saying that Hitzigs Acell PRP is a swindle. But guess what what he said when it comes to Dr Cole :-)

3) Who is cheering things up here?

Bakez : " DEFINITELY go with Dr Cole.

Dr Cole is the only person who has been posting absolutely clear and concise findings on ACell. Dr Hitzig is just posting sensationalist speculation, and the photos he displays are open to question - the ones Dr Cole has posted definitely aren't open to question and are as clear as day.

Dr Cole appears to also have vast (ie as much as anyone else at the moment) experience with ACell, he just hasn't done the plucking procedure trials. ( WAIT WHAT? I was under the impression that Dr Cole was against Acell and very sceptical so how can he be someone with vast experience)

If you would have been 95% close to having a transplant anyway even if this ACell thing hadn't come up, then go with Dr Cole. I see no reason to disbelieve Dr Cole's claims like I do with Hitzig. (Odd that Bakez gives no conclusive evidence WHY he believes Dr Cole and not Dr Hitzig)

Also my question is, what fotos are those two guys here refering to? The one single FUE foto with blood vessels?

Anyway its getting better and better

4) Now its getting interesting for a 23 year old hairloss sufferer who just has begun to gather informations he seems very confident.

Bakez : " Dr Hitzig has posted little evidence, its just speculation and dubious photos. He might be telling the truth but we dont know. (WE? more likely you alone because it seems that you didnt really pay attention to the scientific papers but ok you are 23 years old and in the beginning of a long journey at least in your case)

What we do know with Dr Cole is that you will get world class transplant regardless whether the ACell works, and he has posted no questionable photos with ACell, he documents scientifically and with no bias and what he has shown is exciting, but he still remains conservative in estimations (ie if he hasn't seen it happen with proof, then he won't claim 'the cure is almost here' like Hitzig seems to have). Therefore if it is anyone who you should trust it is Dr Cole. Infact he is the only Dr on that thread that I trust.

Well, well very smart for someone in the beginning :-) am i right

And now to the final part of our Bakez Journey

5) Bakez in action : " Forget about Hitzig for god sake. Just say to Dr Cole, give me a hair transplant and use ACell to see if you can get some extraction site regrowth. You will get a top class hair transplant anyway, as good as anywhere else in the world, and maybe some donor regrowth/good healing, and with a Dr that will scientifically evaluate the results.

Let Hitzig continue posting dubious photos if he wants."

Well i think you guys have to choose a side for real, on the one hand you guys say Dr Cole does document everything very well but on the other hand he has no interest in actually try plucking or FUE/CIT multiplication because he says "Where is the science"

And i know why you guys want me to shut up, because at least i stick with my opinion here.

Also your answers did show me one thing you guys are not mature and never will be. Because what Bakez has said in number 5) is exactly what i asked him to think about donor regeneration :-)

I think UK_ and Bakez you officially diqualified yourself from every credibility here, without my help i have to say.

I am not obsessed with hairloss but with the things how to actually overcome this, if it would be otherwise i would act like Bakez who, to me is the prime example of some desperate youngster who will sooner or later do something very bad. It al starts in general with hasty actions and the unwillingness to think straight for one second about your hair and its characteristics.

If you would actually take one second to think about what i wrote, you really would have answered a lot of questions yourself and then you would realize that in fact the whole " Where is the science" thing from Dr Cole is in fact more devastating for hairloss sufferers in general.

And this is a statement which remains true, i think Bakez will realize this someday and he will regret some of his postings, thats for sure.

My apologies to all readers here who feel offended or bored, but i think some things should be discussed in a serious and mature way without insulting people are answer with blah blah yaddah yaddah. This shows only that no one of you guys is actually willing to get along peaceful with this community here. I tried to teach you guys to a certain point what and how you could get infinite donor and you guys didnt listen to it so its your problem.

I honestly dont care, just shut up

[HairTalk]

No disrespect to anyone whose got family in the effected areas around the Earthquake/Tsunami BUT I am curiously/worried to know if histogens and follicas asia trials will be effected/stopped/postponed.

I realize this is not the ideal time to ask this question with everything that is going on but I get worried easily and I fear histogen might not proceed with trials now for a long time

Sorry to pounce on you, but I'm more than a little annoyed by your asking this question, even with your "disclaimer" about meaning no offense to anyone. Recent stories suggest the death-toll as a result of the events in Japan may be near 10,000; there still are massive problems concerning water, food, heat, shelter; nuclear plants seem not yet to be under control; literally countless lives have been damaged for a very long, if not indefinite, period, in the wake of the most powerful earthquake in the recorded history of the region.

For you to wander in to express concern to whether studies of a cosmetic product will be affected by all this, to my sentiment, is ****ing reprehensible.

[UK_]

No disrespect to anyone whose got family in the effected areas around the Earthquake/Tsunami BUT I am curiously/worried to know if histogens and follicas asia trials will be effected/stopped/postponed.

I realize this is not the ideal time to ask this question with everything that is going on but I get worried easily and I fear histogen might not proceed with trials now for a long time

Are you for real?

[CAlex]

I wont snap back because it serves no point. ALL I will say is your attack was unwarranted. just odd you are on the thread unless you were looking for updates about histogen yourself.

My question stands. I hope histogen is able to continue with their trials and stay on schedule.

[gmonasco]

Go on with your opinion. But i think it seems odd when you browse at Dr Coles site and just look at the latest or prominent featured Acell articles here.

This thread is about Histogen's HSC trials, not Acell. If you want to debate the latter, please take it to the appropriate thread.

[GBB]

The four month time period is up, I hope histogen has some news to share regarding the exploratory case studies.
Obviously I am impatient. But it would be nice to get back some hair when I am still young.

[RichardDawkins]

Yes iam also excited to see the promised update