Anyone planning on taking the *new* Hasson and Wong liposomal topical fin?

[Vishnu018]

Thank you for your post Fuzzy.

I'm definitely quitting this drug although it's only been two days. I'm quite scared actually and hope i will recover soon.

How long did it take for your side effects to resolve after quitting the drug? For how long and what dosage have you been on fin ?

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Vishnu-

Sorry to hear you're experiencing side effects. My opinion (and not a medical one) would be to stop the drug. When I experienced sides from taking oral fin, I stopped and never came back to it. My hair loss has progressed. But all of my sides have been resolved.

Others here live with minimal sides and think it's a fair trade off for keeping hair. Still others experience sides initially but they disappear with continued drug use. Personal decision I suppose.

Broadly, this takes the wind out of my sails. Still side effects despite the liposomal delivery.

[Vishnu018]

Sides with H&W topical?

I've recently started to use H&W's topical and after only two days i'm experiencing watery semen , poor quality erections and loss of morning erection.

Are these side effects common with starting finasteride and go away if you continue or are they serious and require i stop this drug ?

[ez456]

Any more info on this? Efficacy?

I would be interested in what concentrations produce what systemic reductions in DHT..

[schtif]

Have you actually buyed and tried the Top Fin solution from the Italian pharmacy?
I'm interested in contacting the pharmacy myself and buying Top Fin from them but unfortunatlty looking through their website they have no information what-so-ever on the product..

You can send them an Email: info@farmaciaparati.it. I've contacted them, the answer cam straight away:
thank you for contacting us.
To receive Finasteride gel 2,5% you only need to send us by email prescription of a doctor, and we can directly ship to you.
Attached you can find a sample of prescription that your doctor needs to fill.
The price for one bottle 30 ml is € 50,00 (+ shipping cost).
Please, tell us also what is your address for the shipping.

I'm not sure how lon 30ml is going to last, but looks like it is quite expensive.

Edit: Here the link http://www.farmaciaparati.it/en/ordina.html

[George76]

Hello Bobby have you tried Top Fin

Yeah would be interesting to see your blood DHT results. When does it become available in the US? I know that over here (EU) we have to buy it through the Italian pharmaceutical company, and their standard protocol is to mix it with 2.5% Fin concentration, if you want less e.g 0.5% you have to specify that when ordering. I am not sure if it is the same if you are buying directly from Hasson and Wong though.

Have you actually buyed and tried the Top Fin solution from the Italian pharmacy?
I'm interested in contacting the pharmacy myself and buying Top Fin from them but unfortunatlty looking through their website they have no information what-so-ever on the product..

[robodoc]

I think your analogy does not apply to topical Fin. Oral Fin may prevent conversion in the blood but topical Fin make work topically...

[RU58841]

RU -

I did email H&W and they confirmed that the *new* topical is slightly different than their previous offering. I hope this means less sides, as the last iteration available for the last two years continued to effect people poorly.

Good to hear.

Did the rep tell you, as an American, to go to Canada and get a perspiration from the H&W clinic? Surprised, because in the comments on their website they specifically say that isn't possible. Would be great if it were (even though a trip to BC is way too far away for me to reasonably get an Rx)

Yep. Someone from H&W has talked about it on the forums before too, saying it's the only legal way to get it. Hoping that'll change soon, because flying to another country for a 15 minute appointment would suck.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

RU -

Not perscription strength medicines ( regenpure, castor oil etc). Had terrible reaction to fin ~3 years ago and have preferred hair loss to the fin side effects. Would be great if this is truly side effect free.

I did email H&W and they confirmed that the *new* topical is slightly different than their previous offering. I hope this means less sides, as the last iteration available for the last two years continued to effect people poorly.

Did the rep tell you, as an American, to go to Canada and get a perspiration from the H&W clinic? Surprised, because in the comments on their website they specifically say that isn't possible. Would be great if it were (even though a trip to BC is way too far away for me to reasonably get an Rx)

[RU58841]

Also, regarding the price, a rep from Hasson & Wong said it's $130CAD for a 100-day supply, so that's under $40/month USD: http://www.hairlossexperiences.com/v...?post_id=51232

[RU58841]

Has anyone in the US been able to get this? I check the H&W website often and only see the April 21st update. Is anyone a patient and aware of the hold-up? Was pretty excited in March, now feel a bit in limbo.

Same. Waiting impatiently for an update. I tried contacting them via their website's form and just got a voicemail from someone who isn't in their Vancouver office saying I'd have to go up there for the prescription, but I'm guessing he wasn't aware of these updates or something, because I could've done that at any point in the past few years, no need to wait for them to make it available to US patients (or whatever this impending update is for).

Fuzzy, are you currently on oral fin? or anything else? Do you have a plan to switch from your current regimen to the topical? That's what I'm mostly worried about is how things might change in that transition.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Has anyone in the US been able to get this? I check the H&W website often and only see the April 21st update. Is anyone a patient and aware of the hold-up? Was pretty excited in March, now feel a bit in limbo.

[GNX]

wow that was BRILLIANT! copy and paste Wiki.... smh ur jus too smart for anyone here. maybe H&W can hire you as an expert smh

Fin can't work without going systematic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiandrogen

you can alter the pathway by (1) stopping production of androgens or (2) blocking the receptors that receive androgens

aka

you can either (1) tackle the quarterback, or (2) you can try to intercept the ball from a wide receiver.

fin is for tackling the quarterback....it's for stopping the ball before it's been thrown (aka stopping the production of DHT before it goes into the blood stream). Which means intercepting the ball after it's been thrown is blocking the receptor from receiving androgens (or stopping the circulating DHT from acting on the receptors in your scalp).

You can't tackle the quarterback after he's thrown the ball. In other words, fin doesn't really do anything after the ball has been thrown (or the DHT has been produced and let into the bloodstream). Thus applying it locally is like thinking you can sack the QB after he threw the ball.

The only topicals that will work are ones that shut down the AR receptor. This is ideal because you can sill have high DHT (and not be a womanly man tit boy) and still stop the baldness.

if this topical fin is working (aka lowering circulating DHT), it's because it's gone systemic.

[79BirdofPrey]

Unfortunately probably not. It seemed like somebody at Hasson & Wong admitted (in one of the threads) that if there were a difference it would more likely be a bit less effective than the pill.

Thank you for your response. I appreciate it!

[RU58841]

Question: I took Fin tablets and did not experience any negative sides, but didn't experience any hair regrowth either. I was on it for about 1 year.

Does topical Fin improve the efficacy of the product? If I didn't experience regrowth with oral fin, would my chances improve with topical?

Unfortunately probably not. It seemed like somebody at Hasson & Wong admitted (in one of the threads) that if there were a difference it would more likely be a bit less effective than the pill.