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  • Arieux
    Member
    • Jun 2015
    • 81

    #16
    Originally posted by jamesst11
    Within the next 15 years, I have great faith that almost every disease will have a cure.
    +1
    In my opinion with the technology offered by ipsc and tissue engeneering we are entering in the new chapter of the history of medicine. Now we are in the turning point, there are a lot of trials to do in order to elaborate appropriate protocol but finally it will be done. When Lacazette was posting regularly news in that field we had just an exemple how dynamically this technology is developping just now.

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    • Dimoxynil
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 125

      #17
      Originally posted by Arieux
      +1
      In my opinion with the technology offered by ipsc and tissue engeneering we are entering in the new chapter of the history of medicine. Now we are in the turning point, there are a lot of trials to do in order to elaborate appropriate protocol but finally it will be done. When Lacazette was posting regularly news in that field we had just an exemple how dynamically this technology is developping just now.
      Yes but as people have rightly pointed out, it's not just the knowledge and ability that is hindering us. There are other variables involved.

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      • Sogeking
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2011
        • 494

        #18
        Originally posted by Dimoxynil
        Yes but as people have rightly pointed out, it's not just the knowledge and ability that is hindering us. There are other variables involved.
        Of course but those are mostly the people that are waiting for the real cure. The real cure is at least 15 years away. If half of the upcoming treatments work somewhat well combined with some forms of HT a lot of people will have enough of hair to get by. Of course if we can't reverse follicle miniaturization then for someone like me (not on fin, losing hair) the real cure is the only option.

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        • SeanM
          Junior Member
          • Dec 2015
          • 1

          #19
          Are you serious? I agree that you should make the best of your situation, but i got a few pointers for you.

          1 - Today's technology is developing faster than ever.

          2 - Do you think treatments and medicine is a monopoly? Do you think there is one company making and selling all drugs? You say that its about money, and i totally agree, and thats why you are compleley wrong. If you were an induvidual person who accidentaly discovered a treatment for cancer,why would you stop developing it? Obviously there are alot of money in hair loss, and thats why companies and reaserchers put in all their efforts to find the best treatment that will be used by everybody so they can make money and be known and loved by the community.

          3 - Why would reasearches, companies and scientists publish papers and possible treatment methods if they know they never going anywhere with it. Then people might decide to not hop on any treatments because "it will probably be a soloution in a couple of years.

          4 - How many of the people suffering from hair loss actually use treatments? Alot fewer that half, and why? Beacause they are not effective compared to the price. Someone who will come up with a 100% effective treatment, everyone would buy it, even if it would be expensive.

          So if you are going to crush people's hopes, please use your head and think first.

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          • allTheGoodNamesAreTaken
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2015
            • 330

            #20
            Originally posted by Dimoxynil
            I like your positivity but until the product is on my bathroom shelf and giving me decent results then I'm going to keep my feet on the ground
            I try and err on the side of skepticism too and there's definitely still a bit of waiting left to do, but have you heard that Hellouser interview with Histogen's Gail Naughton? She doesn't talk in vague, evasive terms like, say, that arsehole Cotsarelis. She gives comprehensive answers, sets intended release dates, the lot. She talks like you'd expect someone with a working product to talk. And more importantly, the pictures from her presentation speak for themselves.

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            • Trouse5858
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2014
              • 166

              #21
              The word cure gets thrown around here too often. Insulin isn't a "cure" for diabetes but guess what? It beats the hell out of the alternative - which is death. We need something that can help maintain hair after a transplant and doesn't have the potential to turn you into Varys from Game of Thrones.

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              • ShookOnes
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2014
                • 209

                #22
                Cure will be 25 years at least but possible treatments in 5-10 guys.. looking dece

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                • ShookOnes
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2014
                  • 209

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Dimoxynil
                  I like your positivity but until the product is on my bathroom shelf and giving me decent results then I'm going to keep my feet on the ground
                  This man does not understand.

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                  • mcarpenter089
                    Member
                    • Mar 2015
                    • 61

                    #24
                    Thank you very good point

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                    • polios
                      Member
                      • Oct 2015
                      • 74

                      #25
                      Originally posted by allTheGoodNamesAreTaken
                      Baffling to me that a thread like this could still be made after the year 2015 has been.

                      - Bimatoprost: confirmed to work better than minoxidil
                      - SM04554: early trial stages but apparently works
                      - Histogen: unmistakeably WORKS
                      - Replicel/Shiseido: human trials, claimed to work, has provisional medium-term release date
                      - Setipiprant: human trials
                      - CB0301: human trials I think?
                      - Pilofocus: human trials
                      - Improvements in theoretical understanding and experimental techniques reported regularly
                      - Probably more that I can't remember right now

                      The situation looks vastly better to me now than it did a year or 18 months ago. If this hasn't been a good year I'm not sure what a good year is supposed to sound like.
                      Nice summary! Crazy a lot of great treatment to look forward to. I hope there may be something available that is also affordable to me. It makes me optimistic about the future.

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                      • BoSox
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 697

                        #26
                        Originally posted by ShookOnes
                        Cure will be 25 years at least but possible treatments in 5-10 guys.. looking dece
                        25 years? Why not 24 or 26?

                        How the **** do you, or anybody know when the cure will be here? This forum is becoming useless now.

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                        • jamesst11
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2014
                          • 1067

                          #27
                          Originally posted by ShookOnes
                          Cure will be 25 years at least but possible treatments in 5-10 guys.. looking dece
                          No offense to you shookones, but statements like these contradict science entirely. YOU DON'T KNOW! NONE OF YOU KNOW! It literally could be tomorrow or it could never be. You look at all historical scientific discoveries and realize that science, of any sort, is wildly unpredictable. The best thing you can do is WORK to DEAL with the SITUATION you have now.

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                          • allTheGoodNamesAreTaken
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 330

                            #28
                            Originally posted by polios
                            Nice summary! Crazy a lot of great treatment to look forward to. I hope there may be something available that is also affordable to me. It makes me optimistic about the future.
                            Don't listen to me or any of the people on these boards, they're full of people who are simply guessing and as it now turns out, making sometimes plausible guesses but often getting it wrong.

                            Instead, have a listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZvCsanjllA

                            Unless she's telling one outrageous pack of lies, Histogen means business. They've shown it produces very real results before they've even found the optimum dose/treatment schedule. She plainly states that it will be available in some countries in a very reasonable timeframe (2 years) at an affordable cost, with only one or a small number of treatments required, working on men and women.

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                            • BoSox
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 697

                              #29
                              Originally posted by allTheGoodNamesAreTaken
                              Don't listen to me or any of the people on these boards, they're full of people who are simply guessing and as it now turns out, making sometimes plausible guesses but often getting it wrong.

                              Instead, have a listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZvCsanjllA

                              Unless she's telling one outrageous pack of lies, Histogen means business. They've shown it produces very real results before they've even found the optimum dose/treatment schedule. She plainly states that it will be available in some countries in a very reasonable timeframe (2 years) at an affordable cost, with only one or a small number of treatments required, working on men and women.
                              Thank you.

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                              • Trouse5858
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2014
                                • 166

                                #30
                                Originally posted by jamesst11
                                No offense to you shookones, but statements like these contradict science entirely. YOU DON'T KNOW! NONE OF YOU KNOW! It literally could be tomorrow or it could never be. You look at all historical scientific discoveries and realize that science, of any sort, is wildly unpredictable. The best thing you can do is WORK to DEAL with the SITUATION you have now.
                                Spot on. I mean sure, you can add on certain timeframes for the red tape of regulation from government bodies and maybe try to extrapolate on funding patterns if you're into stocks but that's pretty much the extent of it. Just wildly choosing 25 years as a number for something like tissue engineering and thinking its realistic is incredibly naive. Could be 3 years, or 20 or 80 but it's all speculative.

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