AAPE Trials - I'll be experimenting with it

[nofintowin]

That's ridiculous man. Why don't you just order the AAPE and ask any doctor to just inject the thing? Why wait for me? It's not too expensive.

Just curious - why haven't you worn a wig?

[Hairismylife]

Monday

Good luck to you!
I nearly get crazy with my hairloss.
I wanna end my life.

[nofintowin]

Monday

[Hairismylife]

When will you start your trial?

[nofintowin]

Yeah, I've seen those studies -- claims some degree of effectiveness, with out without fin

Your first link is banned at work, so sorry if I'm reposting, but this is Fukouka's older study from 2012, which includes the use of some mesotherapy vitamins:

http://www.orangecountyhairrestoration.org/webdocuments/ADSC-hair-restoration.pdf

[Swooping]

@nofintowin, yes.

@zeos it's very simple. They offer various delivery methods for AAPE-HARG. For instance high tech electroporation, fractional laser delivery, high tech airgun delivery but also simple injections. The former 3 are machines that cost thousands and thousands of dollars. Yet what do they claim? Jup, injections are the best out of all the delivery methods. So nobody would be interested in follicept their method cause it will never be better than injections simple as that. So please stay on topic this isn't about follicept. If any growth factors have merit it's this not follicept anyway lol. One must be delusional to think otherwise. Thanks for digging up those links btw.

[zeos]

is it possible to use follicept instead of injections for AAPE ?

https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.harg.org%2Fdeveloper&sandbox=1

i think that is Fukuoka

http://www.eplasty.com/images/PDF/eplasty15e10.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25834689

http://www.balancehairrestoration.com/wp-content/uploads/using-proteins-secreted-by-adipose-derived-stem-cells.pdf

[NOhairNOlife]

Nofintowin keep us posted on this man. Looks promising.

[Hairismylife]

How can you guys INJECT this stuff into your scalp?

[nofintowin]

Minimum order is one box, which comes with 12 vials (6 powders = AAPE itself, 6 liquids = the vehicle), so pretty much for 6 uses. The studies injected patients at 3-4 week intervals, so this will last 4-5 months.

Here's the thread - https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showth...highlight=aape

Swooping - thanks for the research. You've purchased the AAPE as well?

Also, would love to get my hands on that vitamin mix to inject this with. The link they sent me, which I mentioned above, http://www.harg.org (google translate the website to english) is to a clinic in japan that combines the two and had great results; again, a paper was written about AAPE + vitamin mix combo. Not sure it will do much, but it can't harm and I'm sure it works synergistically. Anyone know any good mesotherapy vitamin mix to buy?

[Illusion]

How much AAPE did you get and how long will this last you? And where's the 60 page thread you mentioned? I feel really stupid but I couldn't find a big thread on AAPE/ADSC on this forum anywhere. Tried to google it, still didn't find anything.

[Jazz1]

Nice, keep us updated.

[Swooping]

Jup.. I'll keep you updated. Scientific evidence looks ok, but then again bias may be present so I don't expect much really. I'll try to give a objective measure of the treatment. The growth numbers ain't staggering to begin with but it might be a nice addition to any regimen. I'm still skeptical though. If any growth factors have chance of working this is anyone his best bet, period.

The stuff consists of well over 100+ proteins by the way. Several many growth factors like IGF-1 (!), KGF, VEGF, PDGF, BFGF, HGF, GCSF, etc.

This is actual human source derived not e.coli like increlex and follicept.

Most growth factors made individually are created by programming Escherichia coli (E. coli) bacteria. This process can match the amino acids, creating a bioidentical version, but it cannot mimic the three-dimensionality of human cell-derived growth factors. It is this special shape that makes growth factors from stem cells and fibroblasts much more stable and active in the skin.

I'll research that later this week, to what extent that statement is true.

[nofintowin]

Let's see if AAPE actually works - pretty much seems like a PRP on steroids, as in a higher concentration of growth factors. So far, 3.5 months into 4 PRP treatments hasn't done anything to me. Any comments on this?

Also, I've read two studies on AAPE. One pretty much injected AAPE into the scalp alone. Another injected AAPE with a bunch of other vitamins (CoQ 10, etc) - seemed like some sort of mesotherapy combo with AAPE. The prostemics rep linked me to http://www.harg.org (have google translate the website for you and you'll be able to understand most of it). Interesting stuff, seems like this link deals with the latter study.

In terms of ordering AAPE, I'll get back to you on this when I get home from work. But as a heads up, it was pretty easy. I expressed interest via email, they got back to me pretty quickly. After some quick back and forth, I wire transferred the $500 to Prostemics' bank account, and the shipment was here via express international delivery, 3 days later. I'm located in the US, and it went through customs just fine. Again, I don't think they want to restrict this for research users, pretty sure they're content having consumers order this.

[lifelonglearning]

Can you explain how you contacted them and how the rest of us would order if we were interested