Where are the phase IIb results for Bimatoprost?

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  • sdsurfin
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2013
    • 702

    I was being fair minded at all times. I am still holding out to see what happens with kythera, and it could also end with something non-marketable. Gotta wait and see with that one. PGD2 pathways definitely play a role in hair loss, but we don't really know to what extent they are a keystone, or if targeting these pathways is the best form of therapy. I don't think bim is totally useless, but that doesn't mean it can be marketed. It might not be effective enough or it might come with too many side effects at high doses.

    Nothing about the current news is encouraging to me, and i don't see why anyone would come on here and tell us that they heard negative rumors and be lying about that. much more likely that they indeed do have a connect that heard bad news. Yes, sometimes it takes a while to release results, but the company was very clear in stating that they will not release it til next year. this could mayyyyybe be a positive sign, but the fact is that they have not started a phase 3 trials, have not even talked about doing so, and now we have someone claiming to have inside info that it failed. hard to be optimistic, sorry. I wanted them to have a good product as much as you did. I'm more excited about the science behind follicept, and hoping they can bridge us to something like replicel which might be a more permanent fix.

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    • It's2014ComeOnAlready
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2014
      • 584

      I don't think it's a "fact" they haven't started phase 3, and they talked about it if phase 2b was successful. They don't have to post or make announcements right away unless they choose to. I posted info earlier from the clinical trials website, backing that up. I still think you're ignoring info listed in the patent which highlights that they've found a concentration range that has the wanted effectiveness without the unwanted side-effects, but you keep saying the same thing.

      Internet trolls do exist, and I find it odd that this person signed up just now to make one post and then never sign in again to clarify, specify, or take any questions about what was said. If they had in mind to be helpful and informative, they would've stuck around. It was a pathetic attempt to troll, that's it. This "source" is very, very unreliable. People should be looking to the science, and that patent.

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      • Hairismylife
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2012
        • 383

        Tbh I'm getting more and more negative on Bim.
        Their delay on announcement and progress clearly state that they have some problems on Phase2b result.
        The question left now is WHAT problems.

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        • hellouser
          Senior Member
          • May 2012
          • 4419

          More incompetence from biotechs/pharmaceuticals? How many months has it been since they were supposed to release results?

          Why does this ALWAYS happen with hair loss news? DELAYS. DELAYS. DELAYS. DELAYS. DELAYS. DELAYS. DELAYS. DELAYS.

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          • Keki
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2015
            • 232

            Guys, bim and lata and trava works, and works very well, i've seen some pics of 0,03, 0.02 and 0.1 with trava and lata and it works like magic to some people, something like cover all the bald spot in 1 month (legit photo not something from scammer seller), if bim is the same thing there is no way they failed with 1 and more %, NO WAY, so IF ALLERGAN decide to stop the treatment it's for economical issue in mass production, like they need to sell something around the <100$ range and it's very hard when now a 0.03 cost 500€, this is the only real issue, but when they decided to test 10x more bim i think they knew what will be the final price if worked, otherwise they would never begin the trial in first place

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            • Hairismylife
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2012
              • 383

              Originally posted by Keki
              Guys, bim and lata and trava works, and works very well, i've seen some pics of 0,03, 0.02 and 0.1 with trava and lata and it works like magic to some people, something like cover all the bald spot in 1 month (legit photo not something from scammer seller), if bim is the same thing there is no way they failed with 1 and more %, NO WAY, so IF ALLERGAN decide to stop the treatment it's for economical issue in mass production, like they need to sell something around the <100$ range and it's very hard when now a 0.03 cost 500€, this is the only real issue, but when they decided to test 10x more bim i think they knew what will be the final price if worked, otherwise they would never begin the trial in first place
              Not essentially economic consideration, maybe sides.
              For the photos I always doubt it in internet world.
              Allergan's recent practice is smashing my hope on it.

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              • Keki
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2015
                • 232

                I trust that photos, come from a doc who let me see some scalp pics, so no way they are shopped or scam, he told me some patients discontinued for money reason (eh hundread of € or more for a freaking lotion), very few had some sort of nausea the rest nothing at all (we are talking low %), he had only few patients under "prost", like 20-25 people who were ****ed otherwise (girls and people with sides)

                It works guys (if bim works like trava and lata), ofc he maybe let me see some "very good responder" but when it works works well like minox or more, but this is no news, even with the old trial there were people with very good improvement but the % were less then minox, for this reason i think with 1% or more the responders exploded, if this is dose related

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                • Hairismylife
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 383

                  Originally posted by Keki
                  I trust that photos, come from a doc who let me see some scalp pics, so no way they are shopped or scam, he told me some patients discontinued for money reason (eh hundread of € or more for a freaking lotion), very few had some sort of nausea the rest nothing at all (we are talking low %), he had only few patients under "prost", like 20-25 people who were ****ed otherwise (girls and people with sides)

                  It works guys (if bim works like trava and lata), ofc he maybe let me see some "very good responder" but when it works works well like minox or more, but this is no news, even with the old trial there were people with very good improvement but the % were less then minox, for this reason i think with 1% or more the responders exploded, if this is dose related
                  Can the lotion last for one month?

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                  • Keki
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2015
                    • 232

                    ofc it last for one month even more (i think they sell 100ml) but 1) you have to find a very good doc who know his shit, or convince the 95% of ignorant docs you need something that's not fina or minox and off label in the prescription
                    2) you have to be rich 3) you have to be lucky as **** being a good responder with this % so ****ig low 4) a good pharmacy who can give you a good lotion and not a messy shit

                    Basically the fina+minox treatment is now the best option by far, but i have said nothig new, the old trial had 8% of people with very good improvement while minox 67 iirc, so 1 every 10 people for something so expesive is retard as **** right now...

                    I read about a rich guy who spent thousands for a 0.1% lotion of latano and he got only some vellus, no miracle so i repeat we must wait the 1 or more % to have a good product for everyone

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                    • Keki
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2015
                      • 232

                      Guys i can't find allergan pipeline, they removed the page... just why? Maybe they are going to update it and we will have a good or bas news soon...

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                      • joel203
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2014
                        • 115

                        Looking like game over for Bim

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                        • It's2014ComeOnAlready
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2014
                          • 584

                          Originally posted by joel203
                          Looking like game over for Bim
                          Yea? What do you know? Nada.

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                          • Scientalk56
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 280

                            who is next?

                            Replicel is dead. Aderans is dead. HISTOGEN is dead, Bim is dead. Who's next?

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                            • Hairismylife
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2012
                              • 383

                              Originally posted by Scientalk56
                              Replicel is dead. Aderans is dead. HISTOGEN is dead, Bim is dead. Who's next?
                              Stop spreading bullshit.
                              Replicel isn't dead, instead they are progressing to phase2b.
                              Read more before posting.

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                              • It's2014ComeOnAlready
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2014
                                • 584

                                Originally posted by Scientalk56
                                Replicel is dead. Aderans is dead. HISTOGEN is dead, Bim is dead. Who's next?
                                I saw your thread - "nothing is coming WAHHHHHH, WAHHHHH, the sky is falling, WAAHHHHH"

                                Stop spreading BS.

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