follicept - what's this?

[Gerhard]

Oh I can recall quite a few and they ALL turned out to be scammers, without any exceptions. Like Dr Nigam, Dr Gho, Yoram etc.

If a product really works, then why the hell go onto a hairloss forum ? If you really have a cure for hairloss, the whole world will know !

It's always the same with scammers: they have found the magical cure the whole world has been waiting for, yet they prefer to stay under the radar and just do some free advertising of their products (creating a hype) on some hairloss forums. Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Oh and yeah, they never want to do FDA controlled trials, yet they ALWAYS promise scientific papers in scientific magazines (and some even succeed at having their nonsense published, like Dr Gho in some "peer reviewed scientific magazine". Yet that magazine admitted they NEVER verified the results (they just checked to see if the methodology made sense) and after all those years no one could re-create what Dr Gho described in that nonsense paper of his, I wrote about it here on my website: http://www.hasci-exposed.com/HSTMagic8.html. In other words, having something publicized doesnt really mean much these days, dr Gho has proven that quite well)

That's great. They even said that they didn't expect this to blow up as much as it did and then commented here previously in the thread. They don't claim to have a miracle cure. They think they MAY have something that could help fight MPB. They have been courteous and have asked nothing from the community and have even rejected funding. It very well could be a scam, but right now you have nothing but your jaded opinion. How about you all just ****ing learn patience and wait for them to update with news or post questions you'd like them to get back to?

I won't be responding back to any people who'd like to get in an argument, I just wanted to restate for the last time that I'm tired of flipping through pages of useless bickering. If it's a scam it's a scam and will be found as such as time. If it isn't then we just got a new weapon in the arsenal to combat MPB. Either way, useless accusations and assertions aren't doing anything. Just keep it to yourself or swap emails and bicker amongst each other. I can understand why some other hair loss sites critiques our maturity sometimes.

[Gerhard]

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[nameless]

Some of you guys are so silly. FDA regulation has nothing to do with efficacy or legitimacy. The FDA has a mandate to make sure that consumers are safe. This is why they require extensive trials for new, experimental drugs and why it takes 10-20 years to get to market with them. This is also why they don't regulate simple herbal remedies, homeopathic treatments, and the like. There are a million snake oil treatments out there, as you point out, and they can keep on selling to their heart's content. It's safe, it just doesn't work. So the FDA doesn't care. Given our ingredients and levels, we should fall in the same boat.

Now scamming is a different issue. That's the FTC- Federal Trade Commission. They are responsible for punishing scammers, cracking down on false advertising, etc. if consumers are "harmed" (not in the medical sense, but scammed sense). They actually have more legal authority than the FDA. The FDA must get the Department of Justice to intervene from a legal standpoint if and when required.

Back to scientific integrity. Again, we are convinced of safety given published studies (our ingredients are FDA approved for other indications and/or used in cosmetics many of you use every single day) and concentrations. We have a theory on efficacy, that's what we really have to show here.

In pursuit of that, we will be doing a convenience sample asap on a handful of people, not much different than a backwoods experiment- "Hey Jimbo, 'mere. Try this crap out! I done made a concoction". We will show you those results as a courtesy. Those results will be as rigorously and consistently reported as they can be, but understand skepticism still at that point.

The results of that less rigorous (only because they are not randomized, blinded, or placebo controlled), convenience sample will tell us if it seems to be working or not, in very generous terms, and if it's worth spending a ton of time and effort and money to go forward with a larger trial.

This larger trial will be randomized, double-blind, placebo controlled, IRB approved, and statistically significant, and will yield data that we can publish in peer-reviewed journals. In other words, good science. We may or may not launch Indiegogo before or during this trial, just depending on what we are seeing. If I have said it once, I have said it a thousand times: scientific integrity is paramount, and we will not take your money until convinced it will be effects. Trust me, our standard of evidence is higher than yours.

Here, someone start a Google doc. Anyone who thinks this is a snake oil or scam, put your name and address down. We will black list you to remove any risk of you ever getting this product so you never get burned. If we turn out to be a scam, we'll send you a hand-signed post card from our CEO so you can hang it on your wall of righteousness forever. I almost said if it turns out not to work, but I have acknowledged many times that that is possible, and if it doesn't, we won't have money for postage since we won't have taken any money, like I just repeated again.

Any questions?

I already know, as much as I can know before all of the facts are in, that you are not trying to scam anyone. I cautioned you on page 80 that I was keeping score because I have been trying to find holes in the stuff you are saying. In order to figure it out I had to approach my contemplation with the idea that Follicept is a scam and then try to prove it. I'm sorry if you're offended by that but you have to understand that a lot of people have tried to scam bald people and I'm offended by that. I have read and re-read every post you made. I evaluated them carefully. I even tried to bait you...to get you to respond in a way indicative of a scam. I have looked at you in the worse critical light possible...assuming the worse...so that if you were doing something wrong I would catch you. I'm done with that. I'm sure you're not trying to scam anyone. The product may not work but you're efforts are a good faith effort. The evidence of this is overwhelming. The people who are accusing you of scamming are not drawing a distinction between the possibility of the treatment idea not working and you doing something intentionally deceitful. I do draw a distinction between these two possibilities because they are two different scenarios. The chance that Follicept is a scam is virtually nil but the chance of the treatment working is also very low. I get it. And many of us here get it.

[just2hairs]

Devon, all those commotions are just background noise to me and most of the folks here. I'm waiting for the life changing news from you...please please let this work. But even if it fails, thank you for the transparency and your time.

[Kokles]

It's clear that some people with androgenic alopecia are not only are losing their hair but also their brain. If I was Devon I would get a slightly comedic kick out of this.

So yeah.. don't feed the trolls.

[Jonathan]

Oh I can recall quite a few and they ALL turned out to be scammers, without any exceptions. Like Dr Nigam, Dr Gho, Yoram etc.

Thank you so much everybody for pushing Devon and potential future companies/scientists away from the forum. Its funny how this forum complaint when companies gives no or too little information (Like Histogen, Replicel...), and automatically call companies that are open and honest a scam.

Why do you involve at all in something you don't believe in? Maybe you think that you save us ignorant people from getting hurt from false hope by spreading your negativism? You are not. Let me quote the Swedish poet Gustav Geijer: "Better listen to a string that brakes than to never stretch a bow" (my translation)

By the way, Dr Carlos K Wesley has also participated in this forum. Since there are no exceptions in your opinion Arashi, will you tell Dr Wesley that he also is a "scammer" too when you meet him next time?

[thejack]

Devon, all those commotions are just background noise to me and most of the folks here. I'm waiting for the life changing news from you...please please let this work. But even if it fails, thank you for the transparency and your time.

yes

[Keki]

For the first time in my life i want this thread moderated and trolls kicked out, it's pointless it's obvious it's not a scam, we have a real company that want to launch other products in the future, we have an address a face and every name involved in this, every law and rule respected, they are not selling nothing right now, they answered every single questions even provocative ones, and they will provide proof of their work even if it's a cosmetic, it's a really sensitive topic since it involve our hairs and i understand better then anyone else the pain and the fear of their hope being crashed, but at this point this accusations leads only to page and pages of flame, and the same trolls had the opportunity to explain their point of view anyway sadly, now i don't want another 50 pages of the same argument all over again, expecially next weeks when this thread gonna explode with pics posted, they don't want to save people wallet from scam anyway, they are here just to post " I told you!!!! AHAHAHA" if it doesn't work so they can boost their shitty ego.

[Arashi]

For the first time in my life i want this thread moderated and trolls kicked out, it's pointless it's obvious it's not a scam, we have a real company that want to launch other products in the future, we have an address a face and every name involved in this, every law and rule respected, they are not selling nothing right now, they answered every single questions even provocative ones, and they will provide proof of their work even if it's a cosmetic, it's a really sensitive topic since it involve our hairs and i understand better then anyone else the pain and the fear of their hope being crashed, but at this point this accusations leads only to page and pages of flame, and the same trolls had the opportunity to explain their point of view anyway sadly, now i don't want another 50 pages of the same argument all over again, expecially next weeks when this thread gonna explode with pics posted, they don't want to save people wallet from scam anyway, they are here just to post " I told you!!!! AHAHAHA" if it doesn't work so they can boost their shitty ego.
Kick them out, they can open their own circlejerk thread if they want but keep this one clear, for the thousands of lurkers, for better readability and for ourself

Do your research, newbie. ALL the scammers we've seen on this board had a 'real' company. People like Yoram weren't selling anything neither when they came to this board. They all answered every question. Ergo, you are the only troll here, all your points are invalid. In fact, such a new account and such a fan of this product already, makes your account quite suspicious. It seems Follicept already has their fake accounts ready, which are going to post their success stories when the product is available.

In fact, all the people who have serious doubts about Follicept are older accounts who have been visiting this forum for years. And all the haters of the doubters, all the guys hyping the product already are new accounts. Might be just the lack of experience and noobishness of the newer visitors, but would also make a lot of sense that it's just follicept themselves.

[breakbot]

This topic is pure entertainment value, go read it all. You are going to laugh your ass off.

We both know this isn't going to work. I know even doctors who tried injecting IGF-1 alongside 9 other growth factors years ago for instance Alvi Armani. We both know that injections with direct cell contact are extremely efficient, just as in vitro. Even with compounds like botox which is 150kDa (!), which is injected intradermally, or subcutaneously. To even think that IGF-1 will work; a compound which is widely available cheaply made by recombinant dna technology. Every drug delivery expert will say this.

And outperforming minoxidil or even coming close? Haha, even replicel, aderans and histogen can't come close to the growth mean values of minoxidil. But yes IGF-1 our holy compound surely will!

Then people always complain about why we don't have a cure or better treatments. How ironic haha. It's almost as if people want to stay bald.

This is exactly what i believe too. But it's meaningless. This thread is full of trolls came out from nowhere to defend this follicept. Some other guys want to believe anything that could give them some hope.
Anyway i hope this madness in this thread to be continued just for the entertainment.

[Hairismylife]

[QUOTE=Swooping;203846]Haha. Arashi go read further in the topic I kinda trolled and took the turn into the positive direction. You know what they did? They updated ***************** with all the information I provided. Little did anyone know this;


Is that true?

[Swooping]

Do your research, newbie. ALL the scammers we've seen on this board had a 'real' company. People like Yoram weren't selling anything neither when they came to this board. They all answered every question. Ergo, you are the only troll here, all your points are invalid. In fact, such a new account and such a fan of this product already, makes your account quite suspicious. It seems Follicept already has their fake accounts ready, which are going to post their success stories when the product is available.

In fact, all the people who have serious doubts about Follicept are older accounts who have been visiting this forum for years. And all the haters of the doubters, all the guys hyping the product already are new accounts. Might be just the lack of experience and noobishness of the newer visitors, but would also make a lot of sense that it's just follicept themselves.

Spot on. Nobody literally nobody shows real interest in this on other big forums, or for that fact on smaller private forums. They literally mark it off as snake-oil until hard evidence is provided. Yet this is different and indeed new accounts all pop up. The worst thing of it all is that those new accounts will attack people who are skeptical. That's a huge alarm.

For all the other people I want to explain that there is a fine line to the definition of "scamming". Kenji Okajima has beastly credentials, way more than Dr. Hsu. Yet he praises shit products and is a fraud. Tamim Hamid of the Theradome, was a goddamn NASA scientist. Keratene Retard which is made by L'oreal and have run double placebo controlled trials is verified by the University of Brussels by a team of several people with extremely high credentials too. So are they scammers? Well probably not, cause they genuinely believe in the product, right? Or are they? Or perhaps a better word is delusional?

By the way Keki is definitely a troll shill account. You can't be possibly that hyped for a product and constantly attack people who are skeptical. We have all rights to be skeptical until huge valid independent results are provided. I think me and I think Arashi want to keep you guys sharp. An informed, educated community is stronger than you ever could imagine. A easy to manipulated, easy to be hyped community is extremely bad for innovation and real progress. If people in the past wouldn't that susceptible to their emotions you would probably be sitting with way better treatments now. Wait for hard goddamn evidence. Don't even believe Devon on his word. If we would believe on people their word as I said we would transform everyone from NW6 to NW1, Dr. Gho could already do that LOL.

Have a nice day.

[QUOTE=Hairismylife;203907]

Haha. Arashi go read further in the topic I kinda trolled and took the turn into the positive direction. You know what they did? They updated ***************** with all the information I provided. Little did anyone know this;


Is that true?

You can verify. Read this topic and check their site. You can also read about Kenji .

[grayfoxxx]

Try to google "follicept forum", you will find French, Spanish, Italian, German, Turkish forums talking about this using this thread as a reference point.
There surely are a lot of people lurking this thread, and some of those decided to subscribe. Does it sounds so unlikely?

[Keki]

It's pointless to answer you but i will for one last time, i'm active in other 4 forums with different nicknames, i subscribed here just for follicept indeed so he could answer my questions but i'm active in every interesting thread in this section from bim to seti and cb and if you notice every post i made are in the central europe hours and asked Devon multiple time about europe release but you are too to read the thread. Or maybe do you want a picture of my collapsed top head, here we go http://i.imgur.com/Fqtv9KC.jpg?1 do i qualify as legit balding user? I'm near nw3 or totally in nw3 area according to this pic, and i don't even know if propecia can restore enought density to cover my scalp anymore so yes follicpet is one of my first interest right now because i don't want to use rogaine anyway, only propecia if it fail

This is enough for you or do you want my passport and ip location track? my god

[Hairismylife]

[QUOTE=Swooping;203908]Spot on. Nobody literally nobody shows real interest in this on other big forums, or for that fact on smaller private forums. They literally mark it off as snake-oil until hard evidence is provided. Yet this is different and indeed new accounts all pop up. The worst thing of it all is that those new accounts will attack people who are skeptical. That's a huge alarm.

For all the other people I want to explain that there is a fine line to the definition of "scamming". Kenji Okajima has beastly credentials, way more than Dr. Hsu. Yet he praises shit products and is a fraud. Tamim Hamid of the Theradome, was a goddamn NASA scientist. Keratene Retard which is made by L'oreal and have run double placebo controlled trials is verified by the University of Brussels by a team of several people with extremely high credentials too. So are they scammers? Well probably not, cause they genuinely believe in the product, right? Or are they? Or perhaps a better word is delusional?

By the way Keki is definitely a troll shill account. You can't be possibly that hyped for a product and constantly attack people who are skeptical. We have all rights to be skeptical until huge valid independent results are provided. I think me and I think Arashi want to keep you guys sharp. An informed, educated community is stronger than you ever could imagine. A easy to manipulated, easy to be hyped community is extremely bad for innovation and real progress. If people in the past wouldn't that susceptible to their emotions you would probably be sitting with way better treatments now. Wait for hard goddamn evidence. Don't even believe Devon on his word. If we would believe on people their word as I said we would transform everyone from NW6 to NW1, Dr. Gho could already do that LOL.

Have a nice day.

You can verify. Read this topic and check their site. You can also read about Kenji .

Please quote.
Follicept copied you? I wanna see.