follicept - what's this?

[efedrez]

Thanks Devon,

Please don't get discourage by a few negative/offensive comments... we are all very exited to see the outcome of your project and sometimes those emotions can really get to us.

If you succeed, and even the most pessimistic of us are secretly rooting for it, you will truly be lunching a hair revolution and chances are you will find a lot more criticism along the way. So please stay as strong as you have been so far.

Since this thread had become so polluted, I would recommenced to start a new one once you begin testing, so we can keep this one to give a hard time to each other and the new one more objective and with clear information

[NOhairNOlife]

Thanks Devon,

Please don't get discourage by a few negative/offensive comments... we are all very exited to see the outcome of your project and sometimes those emotions can really get to us.

If you succeed, and even the most pessimistic of us are secretly rooting for it, you will truly be lunching a hair revolution and chances are you will find a lot more criticism along the way. So please stay as strong as you have been so far.

Since this thread had become so polluted, I would recommenced to start a new one once you begin testing, so we can keep this one to give a hard time to each other and the new one more objective and with clear information

My thoughts exactly +1000

Devon, please don't leave this forum. I know there are some haters. But 99% of us are rooting for you and here to help with anything required (at least I am). And no I don't want or expect compensation. ;-) keep up the good work.

P.S. that IGF vial looks to close to the edge of the container, can you make sure it's wrapped in bubble wrap at all times please. Lol

[nameless]

I have it in writing. Nameless- THAT is a contract

So that's what a contract looks like. I thought I would never see one in the wild.

Just to let you know, the fact that you did not jump in yesterday and offer us all kinds of stuff is partly why I'm now 99.9% convinced that Follicept is NOT snake oil, in terms of being an intentional deceit of some kind. You see, if Follicept were some kind of snake oil gimmick then yesterday, when I was suggesting that you owe us, you would have popped in and offered anything to try to eliminate the controversy. Snake oil peddlers don't like controversy swirling around their company or their products. Snake-oil salesmen succeed by a false veil of OISITIVITY. Plus if Follicept truly was snake oil you would not mind giving away shares in it so yesterday you would have been trying to placate the controversy away if your agenda is some kind of deceit. The fact that you did not bite that hook and stayed professional is very telling. You didn't touch the controversy at all yesterday. You completely ignored it. This plus the fact that you clearly got the IGF-1 has me convinced that it is a virtual certainty that you are not trying to do anything manipulative or deceitful. Maybe I'm not 100% sure of that, but I'm about 99.9% sure of it.

[Hemo]

Excellent to see that you received the IGF-1. Hoping for positing results!

[serenemoon]

So that's what a contract looks like. I thought I would never see one in the wild.

Just to let you know, the fact that you did not jump in yesterday and offer us all kinds of stuff is partly why I'm now 99.9% convinced that Follicept is NOT snake oil, in terms of being an intentional deceit of some kind. You see, if Follicept were some kind of snake oil gimmick then yesterday, when I was suggesting that you owe us, you would have popped in and offered anything to try to eliminate the controversy. Snake oil peddlers don't like controversy swirling around their company or their products. Snake-oil salesmen succeed by a false veil of OISITIVITY. Plus if Follicept truly was snake oil you would not mind giving away shares in it so yesterday you would have been trying to placate the controversy away if your agenda is some kind of deceit. The fact that you did not bite that hook and stayed professional is very telling. You didn't touch the controversy at all yesterday. You completely ignored it. This plus the fact that you clearly got the IGF-1 has me convinced that it is a virtual certainty that you are not trying to do anything manipulative or deceitful. Maybe I'm not 100% sure of that, but I'm about 99.9% sure of it.

This is a special kind of basket case we are dealing with right here. Look at you, trying to make it seem like it was all a "clever ploy." Awwww. So cute.

[Arashi]

This is a special kind of basket case we are dealing with right here. Look at you, trying to make it seem like it was all a "clever ploy." Awwww. So cute.

Hehe yeah JarJarbinx is a very special case. He knows for 99.9% sure this isn't a scam. Well I hadn't read much about Follicept and just started reading this thread and I'm actually 99.9% convinced now this IS a scam. It's got scam written all over it. Swooping made a very clear case in the first 10 pages of this thread why it wont work from a scientific point of view, based upon scientific articles and facts. Then, an employee of a firm coming onto this forum, that's a huge red flag already. Not wanting FDA supervision for trials: second HUGE red flag. But this post nailed it: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showth...l=1#post198650

So, Follicept doesn't want FDA supervision, they want to run the trial 'under the radar', yet they have HUGE plans to rule the world with their product: chemotherapy, vaccines, even gene therapy ! But FDA trials supervised trials, that's something they do NOT want

LOL. Swooping is 100% right with his prediction: Follicept will report great trial results that nobody can verify, they will probably post some success stories here with fake accounts and tons of desperate baldies will emtpy their pockets.

The market for baldies must be the easiest market on earth, so much desperate people who want to empty their pockets for a ray of hope.

You guys have been warned, don't come complaining here afterwards.

[burtandernie]

Yeah I have to agree. I will change my mind if they prove otherwise but you need published peer reviewed studies that are reproducible. 20 guys you know using it for 6 months with some growth doesnt cut it.

[stayhopeful]

Hehe yeah JarJarbinx is a very special case. He knows for 99.9% sure this isn't a scam. Well I hadn't read much about Follicept and just started reading this thread and I'm actually 99.9% convinced now this IS a scam. It's got scam written all over it. Swooping made a very clear case in the first 10 pages of this thread why it wont work from a scientific point of view, based upon scientific articles and facts. Then, an employee of a firm coming onto this forum, that's a huge red flag already. Not wanting FDA supervision for trials: second HUGE red flag. But this post nailed it: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showth...l=1#post198650

So, Follicept doesn't want FDA supervision, they want to run the trial 'under the radar', yet they have HUGE plans to rule the world with their product: chemotherapy, vaccines, even gene therapy ! But FDA trials supervised trials, that's something they do NOT want

LOL. Swooping is 100% right with his prediction: Follicept will report great trial results that nobody can verify, they will probably post some success stories here with fake accounts and tons of desperate baldies will emtpy their pockets.

The market for baldies must be the easiest market on earth, so much desperate people who want to empty their pockets for a ray of hope.

You guys have been warned, don't come complaining here afterwards.

this is a bunch of rubbish. you make no clear point in here. just a bunch of nonsense

who the heck are you to make such assertions? did you read any of the scientific journals, or better yet, can you read at all?

are you a scientist? hair researcher? doctor? or some pessimistic forum troll .. hm

[serenemoon]

Hehe yeah JarJarbinx is a very special case. He knows for 99.9% sure this isn't a scam. Well I hadn't read much about Follicept and just started reading this thread and I'm actually 99.9% convinced now this IS a scam. It's got scam written all over it. Swooping made a very clear case in the first 10 pages of this thread why it wont work from a scientific point of view, based upon scientific articles and facts. Then, an employee of a firm coming onto this forum, that's a huge red flag already. Not wanting FDA supervision for trials: second HUGE red flag. But this post nailed it: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showth...l=1#post198650

So, Follicept doesn't want FDA supervision, they want to run the trial 'under the radar', yet they have HUGE plans to rule the world with their product: chemotherapy, vaccines, even gene therapy ! But FDA trials supervised trials, that's something they do NOT want

LOL. Swooping is 100% right with his prediction: Follicept will report great trial results that nobody can verify, they will probably post some success stories here with fake accounts and tons of desperate baldies will emtpy their pockets.

The market for baldies must be the easiest market on earth, so much desperate people who want to empty their pockets for a ray of hope.

You guys have been warned, don't come complaining here afterwards.

Well, from what I read it was not that they did not "want" FDA supervision. It is just that the dose required is so low that the FDA characterizes this as a natural/cosmetic OTC, and therefore the FDA will not be supervising them as closely or requiring trials. However, I do like that they are still dong trials, even if they are not required to. And they said that they WILL be publishing these studies.

What Devon said earlier - "The reason for this is simple- we learned just a week or so ago that given our ingredients and dosing, the FDA classifies us as a cosmetic/natural remedy rather than a drug." He also said, "So given this FDA classification, we can get to market much quicker- kind of like how food supplements at GNC don't go through clinical trials, they just have to be registered with the FDA and proven safe under basic guidelinesk or so ago that given our ingredients and dosing, the FDA classifies us as a cosmetic/natural remedy rather than a drug."

I really don't think it is their fault that their product just happens to be so low dose that it falls under OTC cosmetic. ANd remember, things like the Insulin patch (another product of theirs) WILL have to undergo FDA trials.

Plus, there is a brilliant physician who is board certified involved in this. Devon has hell of a lot going for himself. I am a soon to be medical student and I would be horrified to lose my reputation by scamming people. Scams come to the surface very quickly. Highly doubt that professionals like this will be "scamming" when they have so many published studies, and actually have a reputation already.

I completely understand that you may not be completely sold on the efficacy of this yet since you haven't seen results, but I really don't think it is fair to point the finger at these guys and call them scammers. And Devon coming to the forums - I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. I believe he was directed here by a BTT user after the thread gained some traction. I see a lot of professionals/reps involved in the hair loss industry in the forums.

[Keki]

Here we go the white knights again even at few weeks from the results

We re alla need your kind words, we arent smart as you, especially quoting an internet troll who want to teach an harvard doc how injection works rotfl
Pls saves us from this bad scammer, the worst scam ever thought, they really need this 10-20k dollars eventually made from the first batch, yep

[bigentries]

Here we go the white knights again even at few weeks from the results

We re alla need your kind words, we arent smart as you, especially quoting an internet troll who want to teach an harvard doc how injection works rotfl
Pls saves us from this bad scammer, the worst scam ever thought, they really need this 10-20k dollars eventually made from the first batch, yep

Sound like the alternative account of a guy with a history of pushing scams on hair loss forums before

[nameless]

Hehe yeah JarJarbinx is a very special case. He knows for 99.9% sure this isn't a scam. Well I hadn't read much about Follicept and just started reading this thread and I'm actually 99.9% convinced now this IS a scam. It's got scam written all over it. Swooping made a very clear case in the first 10 pages of this thread why it wont work from a scientific point of view, based upon scientific articles and facts. Then, an employee of a firm coming onto this forum, that's a huge red flag already. Not wanting FDA supervision for trials: second HUGE red flag. But this post nailed it: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showth...l=1#post198650

So, Follicept doesn't want FDA supervision, they want to run the trial 'under the radar', yet they have HUGE plans to rule the world with their product: chemotherapy, vaccines, even gene therapy ! But FDA trials supervised trials, that's something they do NOT want

LOL. Swooping is 100% right with his prediction: Follicept will report great trial results that nobody can verify, they will probably post some success stories here with fake accounts and tons of desperate baldies will emtpy their pockets.

The market for baldies must be the easiest market on earth, so much desperate people who want to empty their pockets for a ray of hope.

You guys have been warned, don't come complaining here afterwards.

There's a difference between something being a scam and something simply not working. These are two different issues. I am not saying I'm 99.9% sure that Follicept works. I think that there's a very low probability that Follicept works. Very low. However, I also think that there's almost NO risk that the company is trying to trick us or deceive us. Of course there is always a chance of that, but at this point I would literally be shocked if that were the case. I'm going to call it because nobody else has the guts to do it - Follica is not a ripoff. They might not succeed in their efforts but they really do believe that there is a chance that their treatment idea will work and they are truly trying to find out. if it doesn't work it will be because the treatment could not get the job done, not because of some intentional deceit by the company. There, it's been said.

[Swooping]

Hehe yeah JarJarbinx is a very special case. He knows for 99.9% sure this isn't a scam. Well I hadn't read much about Follicept and just started reading this thread and I'm actually 99.9% convinced now this IS a scam. It's got scam written all over it. Swooping made a very clear case in the first 10 pages of this thread why it wont work from a scientific point of view, based upon scientific articles and facts. Then, an employee of a firm coming onto this forum, that's a huge red flag already. Not wanting FDA supervision for trials: second HUGE red flag. But this post nailed it: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showth...l=1#post198650

So, Follicept doesn't want FDA supervision, they want to run the trial 'under the radar', yet they have HUGE plans to rule the world with their product: chemotherapy, vaccines, even gene therapy ! But FDA trials supervised trials, that's something they do NOT want

LOL. Swooping is 100% right with his prediction: Follicept will report great trial results that nobody can verify, they will probably post some success stories here with fake accounts and tons of desperate baldies will emtpy their pockets.

The market for baldies must be the easiest market on earth, so much desperate people who want to empty their pockets for a ray of hope.

You guys have been warned, don't come complaining here afterwards.

Haha. Arashi go read further in the topic I kinda trolled and took the turn into the positive direction. You know what they did? They updated ***************** with all the information I provided. Little did anyone know this;

We’ve been following the case of Kenji Okajima, a professor at Nagoya City University in Japan who was suspended for six months following an investigation into work in his lab. Bits of the story — including at least one other university investigation, and scrutiny of Okajima’s colleagues, one of whom was fired — have been dribbling out for almost two years since a retraction notice in the Journal of Neuroscience.

In all, it looks as Nagoya found evidence of misconduct in 19 papers. The Journal of Neuroscience retraction appeared in 2011, and another showed up in the Journal of Immunology last year. Now there are three more: One in Translational Research and two in Blood.

This topic is pure entertainment value, go read it all. You are going to laugh your ass off.

We both know this isn't going to work. I know even doctors who tried injecting IGF-1 alongside 9 other growth factors years ago for instance Alvi Armani. We both know that injections with direct cell contact are extremely efficient, just as in vitro. Even with compounds like botox which is 150kDa (!), which is injected intradermally, or subcutaneously. To even think that IGF-1 will work; a compound which is widely available cheaply made by recombinant dna technology. Every drug delivery expert will say this.

And outperforming minoxidil or even coming close? Haha, even replicel, aderans and histogen can't come close to the growth mean values of minoxidil. But yes IGF-1 our holy compound surely will!

Then people always complain about why we don't have a cure or better treatments. How ironic haha. It's almost as if people want to stay bald.

[DanWS]

I'm actually 99.9% convinced now this IS a scam. It's got scam written all over it. Swooping made a very clear case in the first 10 pages of this thread why it wont work from a scientific point of view, based upon scientific articles and facts.

You mean the same guy who a few pages later did a complete 180 when confronted with better science from Follicept and decided he is now "convinced it will work"? Lol.

So, Follicept doesn't want FDA supervision, they want to run the trial 'under the radar'

Hmm, I don't think it's quite like that. Nobody said anything about not wanting FDA supervision. But they don't need it because the treatment is classed as cosmetic remedy rather than a drug.

LOL. Swooping is 100% right with his prediction: Follicept will report great trial results that nobody can verify, they will probably post some success stories here with fake accounts and tons of desperate baldies will emtpy their pockets.

Could be. I know one thing - it's wayyy easier to be on the side that says this treatment won't work than on the side that says it will. We'll see. Either way, nobody should be pinning all their hopes on this. And I won't be spending any money until I'm satisfied that the treatment works. I highly doubt I'll be fooled by fake accounts posting success stories, as you predict. That would be a really lame scam and probably not worth all of the effort on Follicept's part. You usually make decent posts on here but it seems you've rushed through this thread and connected dots together that don't really need to be connected to keep in line with the "it's a snake oil" narrative. At least if it turns out you're right, there's no way I'll be losing money over it.

[Jagger]

Jesus Christ, people. I assume I'm a sham account, too, what with my...ugh, what do you call it...optimism?

No one is going to buy Follicept without results. They are working on results as we speak. We literally can do nothing but wait until then.