follicept - what's this?

[noisette]

I have no clue who Nigam and Yoram are and don't care, especially since they were apparently bogus and may have hurt people. I am going to do the right thing by us and by science, and the chips will fall where they may. Will update you when I hear from Dr. Hsu, probably next Tuesday or Wednesday. Not checking the forums this weekend (last weekend was so nice!) and travelling all day Monday, so I will update on Tuesday.

Have a great weekend, everyone!

Thank you Devon ! Enjoy your weekend !

[Gbalding]

Thank you Devon ! Enjoy your weekend !

Yeah dude, enjoy your weekend!

Btw, there are silent members who are rooting for you as well!

[noisette]

Once Devon agrees to do the forum test, I'll open up a thread and we'll discuss everything related to the trial there. No problem.

+1 I have no doubts about Devon and Hsu's integrity
And I'm agree with you about all you said for the past and scammers. Don't listen others who provoke you

I'm not agree with you for Follicept only. You know that Bro, but I understand what you said, and agree with it for the few things past

[Keki]

Once Devon agrees to do the forum test, I'll open up a thread and we'll discuss everything related to the trial there. No problem.

This will never happen, first as people already said they don't really want to send their never used on human before product to random unknow people before even they use it on themself, you understand this is dangerous and probably illegal in us aswell, second as soon they see something interesting they will start to sell the early batch so you can wait helluser if you want, i think he will try it anyway like the other 95% of people here who think they are not scammer at all, third i suggest you to be careful about helluser results, he is my favourite user aswell but you have to understand from a clinic point of view he is not usefull, he is using almost everything, to use follicept he need to drop half of his things like minox or ru according to their team, so you should wait for someone else report if skeptical, but at that point lot of people here would post their pics and you can have your community trial, last point i would wait for pics, you are assuming we will get positive fake pics, i would save the energy for that moment, it's pointless questioning them before even their ipotetical "fake" proof


For the chlorine treatment i don't understand the analogy, i don't think we are assisting to the same level of safety, and we alredy know this cannot be harmfull if they inject the active ingredient thousands time greater to kids, i don't think will get scarred wtf

[Arashi]

This will never happen, first as people already said they don't really want to send their never used on human before product to random unknow people before even they use it on themself, you understand this is dangerous and probably illegal in us aswell

But that's good, I don't want them to send out some uncertified product neither. They should do the needed lab testing, to determine toxicity etc before sending it out. In other words, the product should be ready to be legally sold, before sending it out to the forum members. We don't want people to function as some guinea pigs and die because of this test The idea is to lower the risk for this community, not increase it.

second as soon they see something interesting they will start to sell the early batch so you can wait helluser if you want, i think he will try it anyway like the other 95% of people here who think they are not scammer at all,

I can't stop anyone from buying the product before the end of the forum trial. That decision is of course for everyone to be made. I'm just saying that the moment it's legally certified, we should do the test.

third i suggest you to be careful about helluser results, he is my favourite user aswell but you have to understand from a clinic point of view he is not usefull, he is using almost everything, to use follicept he need to drop half of his things like minox or ru according to their team, so you should wait for someone else report if skeptical, but at that point lot of people here would post their pics and you can have your community trial

I think it would be best to find 10 people who are on nothing and 10 people who are on other meds already. If anything, it would be interesting to follicept to learn about the combo effects.

last point i would wait for pics, you are assuming we will get positive fake pics, i would save the energy for that moment, it's pointless questioning them before even their ipotetical "fake" proof

See BigEntries response on the previous page, he worded it quite well.

[Jagger]

I don't think a forum trial is too farfetched. Follicept has already shown that they are willing to engage with the public on this. Should probably avoid selecting people who use topical treatments though, given what little we know. At any rate, we won't know until Tuesday since Devon has signed off for the weekend.

[Clion1995]

If there is a forum trial I really hope Devon is biased and doesn't chose assholes like Arashi and others.

[Jagger]

If there is a forum trial I really hope Devon is biased and doesn't chose assholes like Arashi and others.

Come on, man. We're done with the personal attacks. I personally think Arashi would make a great candidate. If he approved, then that says a lot more than if someone like me did.

[Keki]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8006448

this is a very old study, but i don't understand some point

So it states igf-1 is better then insulin preventing hair going into catagen
without insulin follicle go in catagen faster
Then it states igf is useless in the presence 10mg of insulin
then it states growth hormone have no effect if it's not present insulin

in the end it say "we should remove insuline to get more catagen" assumign then to use only igf1?

Can this invitro thing work the same in our body? We need to clean our scalp from insuling in order to make it work? I don't think it's possible and i found it very confusing

[just2hairs]

People said the same thing to him with others scams, I remember people saying the same thing to Arashi with Nigam and Pilox

People asked to "sit back and relax" and "we'll know the truth soon enough" to the Chlorine treatment. The same arguments get repeated here.
You remember what happened? Several people got scarred and the guy secretly sold the treatment to other forum members

Skeptics wouldn't be so vocal if the supporters wouldn't be so vocal too. People are already claiming to be "TeamFollicept" and admit they don't care if it works or not

This crap gets repeated again and again with no repercussions. People that pushed scams in the past should be banned for life and conveniently new members using the same distraction tactics should at least get some sort of penalty

Relax man! Follicept has not even posted results and has not taken anyone's money. You and Arashi are jumping the gun and parroting the same thing over and over...scam this and scam that.

We get it, you guys are professional scam fighters!!! Just relax and see how things play out first. I am convinced Follicept is the real deal. For those who think otherwise just wait and see...and let us make our own decisions.

[nameless]

I responded to Arashi but want to reiterate that the FDA did not and does not have an active role in this. They didn't guide us one way or another. We reviewed criteria and have determined we can market as a cosmetic.

Yes, we will do a small but statistically significant trial under conditions that will allow us to publish data in respected peer-reviewed journals.

My job is not to convince Arashi, or any of you for that matter. My job is to test efficacy and then help get an effective, safe product to market. The proof is in the pudding, not in Arashi's opinion.

OK, I misunderstood the issue about the FDA. I thought you submitted an application to test and the FDA decided testing was not necessary. It still does not change my opinion one bit that Follicept is NOT a scam but the reality that Follicept on it's own sought to market the product as a cosmetic w/o clinical trials does remove one favorable point from Follicept.

That aside, I fully agree that it is not your job to convince us here at the bald truth of anything but it IS our job to try to figure out if Follicept's treatment is effective or not, and if Follicept is a scam or not. I told you fair and square that I am "keeping score". Again, I don't mean that as an insult...it's just the truth.

And again, at this point I do not see one shred of evidence that Follicept is trying to scam anyone. I think that the word scam should stop being leveled against Follicept since there is no evidence that Follicept is a scam.

[Joan]

I think it would be best to find 10 people who are on nothing and 10 people who are on other meds already. If anything, it would be interesting to follicept to learn about the combo effects.

If you need any females with AGA, I will volunteer.

[TheUltimatePoet]

Wow, this is an active thread!

For what it's worth, I do not think this is a scam.

I find this a bit amusing. They were working on something else when a possible treatment for hair loss suddenly presented itself. I kinda like this, because that is exactly how minoxidil and propecia were discovered as they were intended as treatment for entirely different things.

I remain cautiously optimistic and look forward to seeing the results they post. If things look good, I might just try it very soon!

[bigentries]

Relax man! Follicept has not even posted results and has not taken anyone's money. You and Arashi are jumping the gun and parroting the same thing over and over...scam this and scam that.

We get it, you guys are professional scam fighters!!! Just relax and see how things play out first. I am convinced Follicept is the real deal. For those who think otherwise just wait and see...and let us make our own decisions.

IF you are convinced it's the real deal, then YOU relax and see how things play out first. Your own decisions affect the community greatly, as it just enables scammers as it has happened numerous times in the past

"Wait and see" is useless when the damage has been done. People said the same crap about Liu's Chlorine: "he's not taking anyone's money", "let the results talk", "he has credentials", "a scammer would never be so open", "a scammer wouldn't be giving free trials", "MMS is proven to be safe, so chlorine is safe"

The point of the communities like this is to remain critical and defensive, not to sing praise to everyone who comes here claiming to have a cure.

Seriously, you seem to know too much for a guy with just a month in the forum. Why don't you go back to lurking and come back when it's proven Follicept is absolutely legit?

[Arashi]

"Wait and see" is useless when the damage has been done. People said the same crap about Liu's Chlorine: "he's not taking anyone's money", "let the results talk", "he has credentials", "a scammer would never be so open", "a scammer wouldn't be giving free trials", "MMS is proven to be safe, so chlorine is safe"

That argument was literally thrown in EVERY SINGLE TIME "wait till we are 100% sure". Look at "Nameless", he still claims, even in this thread, that Dr Nigam was not a scammer and just as much a victim as Wesley, Boldy and Tom. These scammers will never say "Ah you were right, we just wanted to take your money and run". Waiting for that to happen is useless. It will never happen.

Maybe calling Follicept scammers isn't really nice. But even worse are the people hyping this product already, like they KNOW it's going to work. That's MUCH more harmful here: Wesley got hospitalized and literally almost died because of people promoting scammer Dr Nigam. Sure in the end it was his decision to go there and have Nigam inject him his poison, but those hypers and pumpers can't hide behind that. If they hadn't created such a hype, Wesley might not have gone. And no, this time I'm not afraid of people dying, but the financial loss incurred for the community as a whole might be much bigger than people realize.

If everybody just calms down and take a look at the results of our forum tests, then we can all be friends In the end, everybody's in the same boat here.