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[follicept]

We are losing the opportunity to get more info about the trial, who care what akashi or what the other trolls think, Devon should set up a board/forum in his site aswell, this thread isn't enough imho, we will have hundreads and hundreads of comments if positive, right now a good number of important answers are lost in pages and pages of bullshit and flames, and we keep asking the same questions over and over, at this point Devon should ignore them, they are internet warriors who hide behind the keyboard, this is not being skeptical, this is defamation

Going back on topic, i want to ask how many people are involved in your personal early trial? Are they using other treatments? What Nw are they? I think these are the important questions people should make, a good half of users there want to know if they can switch or not without losing too much for example, or if the use of follicept can make the absorption of other topicals dangerous, from neogenic to ru to other hundreads of different spray people are using now

great questions that I will make sure we answer. Don't have the group fully selected yet, but will definitely do pics and such as we firm that up. Ironically, now the easier ingredients to get are delaying us. Before, we ordered under UF and are now setting up an account as a company instead, so should have the ingredients in hand next week. I get back Monday night, and as soon as the ingredients and I are all in the same place at the same time, we'll start! haha

[Arashi]

and the only way to prove otherwise (after pages of insinuating the Follicept team are con artists) is to send the treatment to forum users, as if he's some sort of authority.

I'm not an authority at all. I just think this is the only way to prove it. People like you are happy already with unverified proof supplied by the company itself. Good for you. Others don't buy into that. So let Follicept do the forum trial and convince everybody, even the biggest doubters. Good for us, good for them. I'm not sure why you guys have to be so sour about it (mainly coming from accounts opened in the last few months, after follicept joined here, and yeah, that looks quite suspicious indeed) ...

[Jagger]

I'm not an authority at all. I just think this is the only way to prove it. People like you are happy already with unverified proof supplied by the company itself. Good for you. Others don't buy into that. So let Follicept do the forum trial and convince everybody, even the biggest doubters. Good for us, good for them. I'm not sure why you guys have to be so sour about it (mainly coming from accounts opened in the last few months, after follicept joined here, and yeah, that looks quite suspicious indeed) ...

If I had to guess, it's your attitude and persistent circular argument that is souring forum users. We understand what you are saying, and we understood it 20 pages ago when you first said the same things you're still saying.

For the record, I agree with you, a trial would end the debate. If Follicept signs off on it, great. I actually would vote for you, Arashi, as a tester, because if the product convinces you of all people then it's as good as gold. Plus it's been a while since I watched a good crow-eating.

But it's hardly the "only" way to prove it works. It's just the only one that would satisfy this population of paranoid forumgoers. A year from now, we'll know for sure regardless of the opinions of BTTers.

[Arashi]

If I had to guess, it's your attitude and persistent circular argument that is souring forum users. We understand what you are saying, and we understood it 20 pages ago when you first said the same things you're still saying.

For the record, I agree with you, a trial would end the debate. If Follicept signs off on it, great. I actually would vote for you, Arashi, as a tester, because if the product convinces you of all people then it's as good as gold. Plus it's been a while since I watched a good crow-eating.

But it's hardly the "only" way to prove it works. It's just the only one that would satisfy this population of paranoid forumgoers. A year from now, we'll know for sure regardless of the opinions of BTTers.

We've seen at least 6 scammers here in the last few years. Companies that even had papers published in so called peer reviewed scientific journals (so even more credible than Follicept is at the moment).

So, not directly believing what companies claim, you could hardly call that paranoid after everything that's happened here.

[Hemo]

And for the record, I'm not willing to buy anything until I see results either. At the same time, I don't believe in challenging someone that's given me no reason to (and selling a treatment with no proof that it works is a reason, but Follicept isn't doing that).

[just2hairs]

@Arashi, dude you're looking foolish and paranoid...repeating like a broken record.

[Arashi]

@Arashi, dude you're looking foolish and paranoid...repeating like a broken record.

And you look like a follicept fake account. You really think people will buy into it with new accounts every day ? Just run that forum test, hand us the evidence and shut me up that way ! But going by the way you guys are playing it (trying to shut me up with your fake accounts) I hightly doubt you guys are willing to run that test ... You'll come up with some BS excuse about safety or whatever reason to NOT do that forum test and then present some terrific results yourself that nobody can verify.

[FrenchNewbie]

We've seen at least 6 scammers here in the last few years. Companies that even had papers published in so called peer reviewed scientific journals (so even more credible than Follicept is at the moment).

So, not directly believing what companies claim, you could hardly call that paranoid after everything that's happened here.

I'm alerting you to moderation. We can't let you diffame a lab without proof. Your only proof is that other firms (very very different) were scammers. So now stop it. We understood. And you are a flooder and a troller!

I ask other members alerting Arashi to moderation. We can't continue like that. We will loose Devon...

PS: If Devon want, we invite him on the french forum Doctissimo. More, i can create an Invision Power Board forum in just 1 day. I want to see the first results. And Arashi can't take that with his defamation.

And you look like a follicept fake account. You really think people will buy into it with new accounts every day ? Just run that forum test, hand us the evidence and shut me up that way ! But going by the way you guys are playing it (trying to shut me up with your fake accounts) I hightly doubt you guys are willing to run that test ... You'll come up with some BS excuse about safety or whatever reason to NOT do that forum test and then present some terrific results yourself that nobody can verify.

Are you silly? There are threads all over the occidental world. I will ask a moderator to check my IP adress and others and tell if we are fakes.

[Jagger]

We've seen at least 6 scammers here in the last few years. Companies that even had papers published in so called peer reviewed scientific journals (so even more credible than Follicept is at the moment).

So, not directly believing what companies claim, you could hardly call that paranoid after everything that's happened here.

I know. Contrary to my post count, I've lurked here for years. I remember Gho, I remember thinking he was a crock of shit.

It's fine if you don't believe it'll work. I already said I agree with your forum test idea. I think you should test it because if you of all people can be convinced, we're all good. If not, business as usual. I'm just sick of wading through five pages of you copy pasting the same argument into every other post. We get it, dude.

Perhaps paranoid was not the best word, but it describes the sentiment I get from all of the negative response. NO ONE KNOWS if Follicept works. If people are willing to throw money at it before having evidence, that's their fault for being uninformed consumers. If it doesn't work, we're exactly where we were before Follicept showed up.

Until Follicept demonstrates one way or another if it's a scam or not, it is best to remain neutral.

[Arashi]

I'm alerting you to moderation. We can't let you diffame a lab without proof. Your only proof is that other firm (very very different) were scam.

We have seen several scammers, some caused people to lose hair (Tom with Nigam) or even almost literally killed people (Wesley with Nigam). So, scammers should be stopped as soon as possible. People also said it in Nigam's case: "Arashi you cant call Nigam a scammer yet, until we have 100% proof". Well I'll tell you what, 100% proof doesnt exist, there are still people who claim Nigam wasn't a scammer (read JarJarbinx'es (="nameless") reply here). But I do know I saved people, not only their money, not only their hair but maybe even literally their lives (google this board for Wesley and Nigam).

You want to shut me up ? Then show me proof that it works !! Not some proof that nobody can verify, but independent proof !

[Jagger]

We have seen several scammers, some caused people to lose hair (Tom with Nigam) or even almost literally killed people (Wesley with Nigam). So, scammers should be stopped as soon as possible. People also said it in Nigam's case: "Arashi you cant call Nigam a scammer yet, until we have 100% proof". Well I'll tell you what, 100% proof doesnt exist, there are still people who claim Nigam wasn't a scammer (read JarJarbinx'es (="nameless") reply here). But I do know I saved people, not only their money, not only their hair but maybe even literally their lives (google this board for Wesley and Nigam).

You want to shut me up ? Then show me proof that it works !! Not some proof that nobody can verify, but independent proof !

Jesus H. Christ. There is no proof. It hasn't been tested yet. Follicept has said he's going to look into your independent test idea. That alone should be enough to silence you until we hear back from him.

I'm starting to miss Swooping. At least he was entertaining.

[FrenchNewbie]

We have seen several scammers, some caused people to lose hair (Tom with Nigam) or even almost literally killed people (Wesley with Nigam). So, scammers should be stopped as soon as possible. People also said it in Nigam's case: "Arashi you cant call Nigam a scammer yet, until we have 100% proof". Well I'll tell you what, 100% proof doesnt exist, there are still people who claim Nigam wasn't a scammer (read JarJarbinx'es (="nameless") reply here). But I do know I saved people, not only their money, not only their hair but maybe even literally their lives (google this board for Wesley and Nigam).

You want to shut me up ? Then show me proof that it works !! Not some proof that nobody can verify, but independent proof !

Thank you Superman. I alerted you. If they are a scammers, you are a flooder and a slanderer.

[Arashi]

Jesus H. Christ. There is no proof. It hasn't been tested yet. Follicept has said he's going to look into your independent test idea. That alone should be enough to silence you until we hear back from him.

Well then instead all those posts "Arashi this" "Arashi that", focus on follicept and I'll focus on the forum test. Everybody happy.

[just2hairs]

And you look like a follicept fake account. You really think people will buy into it with new accounts every day ? Just run that forum test, hand us the evidence and shut me up that way ! But going by the way you guys are playing it (trying to shut me up with your fake accounts) I hightly doubt you guys are willing to run that test ... You'll come up with some BS excuse about safety or whatever reason to NOT do that forum test and then present some terrific results yourself that nobody can verify.

If I were a new "Follicept spy", how would i know about Nigam (photoshop king), Yoram (a leech himself), and JarJarbinx (LMAO)? Paranoia much? Your scam fighting tactics don't apply here. Devon and Dr Hsu are legit!

I'm waiting for Devon's results and nothing more. Even if they fail, they still have my full respect.

[Arashi]

If I were a new "Follicept spy", how would i know about Nigam (photoshop king), Yoram (a leech himself), and JarJarbinx (LMAO)? Paranoia much? Your scam fighting tactics don't apply here. Devon and Dr Hsu are legit!

Eh, since I mentioned them several times in the last few days ? And the search function works actually quite well indeed here. How else would an account opened last month know about them ?