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  • FearTheLoss
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    Originally posted by tedwuji
    50% wow...Extraordinary predictions... based on what?
    Research I've done on my own on the topic, the article doctor Wesley linked in the pilofocus thread he started and work Dr. Cole and Dr. Mwamba have done.

    Everything adds up for his technology to work.

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  • tedwuji
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    Originally posted by FearTheLoss
    I agree with you in terms of the cure coming to market. However, I disagree when it comes to replicel and pilofocus. I think we will see 30-50% consistent regeneration from pilofocus with improved speed as opposed to FUE. I think Replicel will prove to be maintenance plus 30% regrowth. I think histogen is a bust.

    I also think we will see better results from PRP therapy.
    50% wow...Extraordinary predictions... based on what?

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  • tedwuji
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    Originally posted by FearTheLoss
    I'm almost positive it will have more than 20% for sure. Look at the science that backs it up, and look at the results some doctors have gotten, such as Dr. Cole. I
    think Dr. Cole stated somewhere on here that the reason it's hard to get the regeneration to be consistent is because ACell leaks. If Dr. Wesley is putting it under the skin where the follicles are extracted, it would be where it needs to be. HENCE REGENERATION!
    It would be great if you guys are right, but PiloFocus seems a bit quiet lately... and wasnt it supposed to be out like a year ago. I hope the whole idea isn't dead in the water. What happened in Wesley's New Orleans presentation on Jan 14th of this year?

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  • FearTheLoss
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    Originally posted by joachim
    lol. 30 to 50% regeneration. NO WAY. this would practically be the cure as it is true hair multiplication then. pilofocus will do nothing but dissapoint. let's hope i'm wrong.
    I'm almost positive it will have more than 20% for sure. Look at the science that backs it up, and look at the results some doctors have gotten, such as Dr. Cole. I think Dr. Cole stated somewhere on here that the reason it's hard to get the regeneration to be consistent is because ACell leaks. If Dr. Wesley is putting it under the skin where the follicles are extracted, it would be where it needs to be. HENCE REGENERATION!

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  • joachim
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    Originally posted by FearTheLoss
    I agree with you in terms of the cure coming to market. However, I disagree when it comes to replicel and pilofocus. I think we will see 30-50% consistent regeneration from pilofocus with improved speed as opposed to FUE. I think Replicel will prove to be maintenance plus 30% regrowth. I think histogen is a bust.

    I also think we will see better results from PRP therapy.
    lol. 30 to 50% regeneration. NO WAY. this would practically be the cure as it is true hair multiplication then. pilofocus will do nothing but dissapoint. let's hope i'm wrong.

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  • FearTheLoss
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    Originally posted by mikes23
    I think it's look incredible bad for replicel, histogen, and pilofocus. But I still have hope with Dr Lauster or one of these universities working on 3d printing. I think in 2016 or 2017 will see something big from dr lauster. If lauster solves it next year, then we can have the cure out in a few years if they partner with someone in Japan but idk if he will do that since he works for the university. If an American University solves it then we aren't seeing a cure before 2025. I think 2016 is our make or break year. This will tell us more what is going to happen to histogen, replicel, and pilofocus. Also the taiwanese will be done with whatever trial they had in 2016. I believe the cure is solved this decade, depending on which team solves it will dictate how soon it comes out.

    I agree with you in terms of the cure coming to market. However, I disagree when it comes to replicel and pilofocus. I think we will see 30-50% consistent regeneration from pilofocus with improved speed as opposed to FUE. I think Replicel will prove to be maintenance plus 30% regrowth. I think histogen is a bust.

    I also think we will see better results from PRP therapy.

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  • mikes23
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    I think it's look incredible bad for replicel, histogen, and pilofocus. But I still have hope with Dr Lauster or one of these universities working on 3d printing. I think in 2016 or 2017 will see something big from dr lauster. If lauster solves it next year, then we can have the cure out in a few years if they partner with someone in Japan but idk if he will do that since he works for the university. If an American University solves it then we aren't seeing a cure before 2025. I think 2016 is our make or break year. This will tell us more what is going to happen to histogen, replicel, and pilofocus. Also the taiwanese will be done with whatever trial they had in 2016. I believe the cure is solved this decade, depending on which team solves it will dictate how soon it comes out.

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  • Tenma
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    Originally posted by Swooping
    To be honest shot term 0-10 years it is looking incredibly bad. The only positive side about it all is that we are rapidly advancing in understanding AGA, advancing in cell culture and drug screening models. Oh well, at least the kids from now won't have much to worry about.
    yeah. we are probably the maintenance generation lol. those who started losing their hair before the 2000s didnt have shit. but is ddepressing the lack of success on the regrowth corner. i still have some faith in sm though

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  • Swooping
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    To be honest shot term 0-10 years it is looking incredibly bad. The only positive side about it all is that we are rapidly advancing in understanding AGA, advancing in cell culture and drug screening models. Oh well, at least the kids from now won't have much to worry about.

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  • tedwuji
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    whats going on with PiloFocus? Specifically what happened at Dr Wesleys recent presentation? does anyone know?

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  • Trenblastoise
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    Originally posted by TotallyScrewed
    A stem-cell based cure for baldness is already in the works by scientists..

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0116892
    Indeed it is being researched. It will take a lot of time. The hairs these scientists made were micro hairs as far as I understood, they are too weak to break through the skin.

    When they get to that point they will have to go through trials. So we are most likely looking at, as the guy you are quoting said, 10-20years or so. I think we are justified based on the evidence to be optimistic in the long run.

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  • hosney7
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    Aaron gardner said here before that one team breaks the problem it will process rapidly
    It seems
    Tissuse of Lauster is now absorbed in bio chip
    Cumc of Christiano - AA
    Durham of Jahoda & Aaron - adipose
    Taiwanese - veiled (if it works then they can terminate the situation)
    Tsuji - lost
    Russian team - controversial
    Replicel - close to the market but its efficiency is doubtful

    Just my thoughts

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  • TotallyScrewed
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    Originally posted by FearTheLoss
    I agree completely. I believe in the next 5 years or so we will undoubtedly have something better than minox and fin. However, the real cure will not be a drug. I would bet 10-20 years until one hits the market, realistically. Although, we can hope for the best and I hope I'm wrong and it comes out sooner.
    A stem-cell based cure for baldness is already in the works by scientists..

    Dermal Papillae (DP) is a unique population of mesenchymal cells that was shown to regulate hair follicle formation and growth cycle. During development most DP cells are derived from mesoderm, however, functionally equivalent DP cells of cephalic hairs originate from Neural Crest (NC). Here we directed human embryonic stem cells (hESCs) to generate first NC cells and then hair-inducing DP-like cells in culture. We showed that hESC-derived DP-like cells (hESC-DPs) express markers typically found in adult human DP cells (e.g. p-75, nestin, versican, SMA, alkaline phosphatase) and are able to induce hair follicle formation when transplanted under the skin of immunodeficient NUDE mice. Engineered to express GFP, hESC-derived DP-like cells incorporate into DP of newly formed hair follicles and express appropriate markers. We demonstrated that BMP signaling is critical for hESC-DP derivation since BMP inhibitor dorsomorphin completely eliminated hair-inducing activity from hESC-DP cultures. DP cells were proposed as the cell-based treatment for hair loss diseases. Unfortunately human DP cells are not suitable for this purpose because they cannot be obtained in necessary amounts and rapidly loose their ability to induce hair follicle formation when cultured. In this context derivation of functional hESC-DP cells capable of inducing a robust hair growth for the first time shown here can become an important finding for the biomedical science.

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  • It's2014ComeOnAlready
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    Originally posted by sdsurfin
    They didn't know much about the pathways that induce hairloss until very recently. Wnt and PgD2 pathways were recently discovered to be involved, and now there are two drugs being trialled for those pathways. The next big hair loss drug will not be an accident, id bet anything on it. However, drugs in general are not the solution to a condition that is influenced by so many things, and is truly very complex. Stem cells and genetic engineering are the answers but they'll take a few more decades to really pan out in a way that is useful. It may be a prediction, but it's an informed one based on the usual timelines. I'm excited about replicel and Sm, but maybe neither will pan out, it's a toss up I think, but both are steps in the right direction.
    I agree as well, however PGD2 was discovered in 2007, maybe even earlier. Not exactly recent, but i suppose it is in terms of hair loss research.

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  • FearTheLoss
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    Originally posted by sdsurfin
    They didn't know much about the pathways that induce hairloss until very recently. Wnt and PgD2 pathways were recently discovered to be involved, and now there are two drugs being trialled for those pathways. The next big hair loss drug will not be an accident, id bet anything on it. However, drugs in general are not the solution to a condition that is influenced by so many things, and is truly very complex. Stem cells and genetic engineering are the answers but they'll take a few more decades to really pan out in a way that is useful. It may be a prediction, but it's an informed one based on the usual timelines. I'm excited about replicel and Sm, but maybe neither will pan out, it's a toss up I think, but both are steps in the right direction.

    I agree completely. I believe in the next 5 years or so we will undoubtedly have something better than minox and fin. However, the real cure will not be a drug. I would bet 10-20 years until one hits the market, realistically. Although, we can hope for the best and I hope I'm wrong and it comes out sooner.

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