adipose-derived stem cell protein extract

[nameless]

There wasn't much bickering going on in that thread I avoided that. I just gave a very polite warning to jarjar that if he'd keep spamming the doctor, he would most probably leave.

Dr. Gardner left because he got tired of your boorish bickering.

[Haircure]

Arishi What you call a "polite warning" is bickering. It's your typical condescending, boorish, overbearing, attitude you always display as if what you say has special importance because you're Arishi. You need to understand that I have only limited respect for the things you say because you have made numerous mistakes and you aren't very smart. I will consider any evidence you put forth but I will not accept your judgment or conclusions. I will come to my own conclusions about your evidence because of your past mistakes, most famously your assertions that the 2014 hair loss congress scientists had resolved the trichogenicity issue. BTW you "warned" me on that issue too and look how wrong you were. You would be better served if you stop talking and start doing some listening instead.

You know what's interesting? You've just described all your faults just perfectly in the post above. In fact you do it in every post involving criticisms of others. You might want to get another I.Q. test done because the one you took from the back of a cereal box in my opinion just doesn't do you "genius" enough justice. After that maybe you can revisit a real post-secondary institution and get a real college degree rather than the imaginary one which you so clearly like to show off. Better yet why not just get in some therapy sessions while your at it, who knows maybe you can finally get the help you need for delusions of grandeur, overcompensation, and psychological projection.

[maomao]

* He has studied "Traditional Chinese Medicine" and sells products based on that. I hope I don't have to explain how TCM is a proven scam.

Gonna have to disagree with you on that - TCM is a perfectly acceptable form of treatment, how do you think people got better before medicine was invented?

Of course I can't say how well it relates to hairloss, but when I'm feeling sick, I prefer to go to the TCM doctor and get a herbal remedy than loads of drugs.

[hgs1989]

We don't need to ask Jahoda anything. In the Dr. Gardner thread, the thread that Arishi scared Dr. Gardner out of, Dr. Gardner stated that Jahoda will be using fat cells so they can get the growth factor signals into follicles. We have already been given Dr. Jahoda's opinion on the matter. And you were heavily involved in that thread so you should already know Jahoda's opinion on this issue. You need to learn to transpose information from one thread to another.

In fact, Dr. Jahoda thinks that fat cells, and they're growth factor signals, are key factors for hair growth.

you are right. I personally asked Dr.Gardner about the use of Gf for hair and he said they would work but stability and adjacent cells effects might be a concern.

[Arashi]

Dr. Gardner left because he got tired of your boorish bickering.

Really ? Then it should be very easy to pinpoint all those 'bickering posts' of mine in that thread right ? Can you show them to me ? In fact, I'll make it very easy, here are my 16 posts in that thread, show me which ones were bickering: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/search.php?searchid=20601
Only that very last post was directed at you and that was posted AFTER he left. None of the other posts were bickering or even directed at you. So you're full of nonsense again, as ALWAYS.

[Arashi]

And since I've shown that your argument was made out of thin air (there was no bickering in that thread), please allow me to give my arguments why in my opinion you scared him away. Let's look at some of your posts then:

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/16284-Q-A-with-Dr.-Aaron-Gardner?p=174958&highlight=#post174958

Especially

Would it be better to use fat cells (for implantation into the recipient area) that come from underneath the strong thick hairs in the donor region rather than using fat cells from say another part of the body, such as the stomach? My reason for asking this question is that there a lot of obese people who do NOT have long hairs on their stomachs despite having an abundance of fat cells in their stomachs and also having follicles in their stomachs.

Really ? I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I read this. Why the hell would he want to add fat from the stomach ? Of coure he's not even considering that ! He just said that in his model he wants to add other cells so that outside of the body, he can mimic the human scalp environment as closely as possible. That has NOTHING to do with stomach fat ! And then that comment about long hair on the stomach... Wow ... I laughed out loud there actually.

Then:

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/16284-Q-A-with-Dr.-Aaron-Gardner?p=174568&highlight=#post174568

Specifically

wouldn't it be better to focus on how to produce hair cells with good inductivity and then injecting those cells into the skin so they can prompt hair to grow through the existing follicles rather than focusing on how to grow whole follicles and then having to implant the whole follicle into the skin?

This guy has spent the last few years of his life full time trying to generate hair follicles and you say he should just stop doing it and focus on a different approach ? Really ? Do you have any idea how insulting that must sound ?

Then:

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/16284-Q-A-with-Dr.-Aaron-Gardner?p=174966&highlight=#post174966

Specifically

10% inductivity to 60% inductivity does not sound very consistant to me. That is quite a wide range.

Didn't the scientists on the Jahoda team report 22% inductivity at the 2013 IHSRS last October? If the Jahoda team already reported 22% at last year's ISHRS and now scientists are in a range of 10% to 60% that means that their lowest result (10%) is actually worse than what the Jahoda team accomplished the year before.

Have they figured out yet why some results were 10% and some were 60%? I think that scientists should try to reduce the range. They should try to figure out why some cells retain 10% and some retain 60% because the range is so wide that it seems unpredictable and unreliable. It just seems like it will be very difficult to move forward until you can get stability into these wild fluctuations.

These wild fluctuations are disheartening. It creates the feeling that scientists can't control the progress that they've made.

Wow ... You really topped yourself there. You basically tell him he sucks at doing his work and then you ask some totally irrelevant questions and show you have no idea what you're even talking about.

And then you spam him with several questions in a row, like here: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/thread...Gardner/page16 See that last post on that page and then the first 3 posts on the next page. They are ALL yours ! They're all long, each one consisting of several sub questions, they're all irrelevant, or asked before, and/or demonstrating you're clueless and realy don't even understand what you're asking. Do you want me to clarify that ? And you think it's weird he left ? Why the HELL would he enjoy answering those pages of nonrelevant, bizarre and stupid questions ? What if his collegue's look what he's up to and they see him answering those questions, what do you think they'd say ?

[Alias123]

Please this is the Only post i really find valuable at the moment please don't start arguing in it and rather contribute with. Opinions on the treatment, since me and moleur are going through with this treatment it could be of great value to this forum if we keep this thread clean

[zeos]

This company is involved in research to find treatment candidates for official clinical studies. This company does not offer ADSCs or ADSC extract for commercial use at the present time. This is a development company. It has no use for us unless you are willing to wait maybe 10 years. This thread is more about ADSC treatments or ADSC extract treatments that are presently available.

don't think so,
i have just found a clinic in athens which is offering the ADSC treatment(maybe this is an annex of the Swiss clinic in athens-we have to find this out)and collaborates with that laboratory(http://theracell.eu/)

we should contact theracell to get all the addresses of clinics where we can get this treatment
with which clinic are you in contact?

[Alias123]

http://www.iatrikopsychikou.gr/

that is the ''swiss clinic'' so everyone has that clear
Source: respons from their email.
o do autologous adipose tissue stem cell treatment to your zones B & C areas in order to strengthen your hair follicles (http://www.arsmedical.info/template-...tem-cells.html). The proposed treatment will serve to stimulate hair growth, strengthen weak follicles and stop the process of hair loss.

3) We will need you to come to Athens Greece, proposed available period

4) We will need you just for one day for the treatment from morning till afternoon in our state of the art clinic in Athens (http://www.iatrikopsychikou.gr/). Then you will be discharged and be able to go back to your normal life.

5) Liposuction and Autologous Stem Cell treatment will be performed by specialized plastic surgeon

[Arashi]

http://www.iatrikopsychikou.gr/

that is the ''swiss clinic'' so everyone has that clear
Source: respons from their email.
o do autologous adipose tissue stem cell treatment to your zones B & C areas in order to strengthen your hair follicles (http://www.arsmedical.info/template-...tem-cells.html). The proposed treatment will serve to stimulate hair growth, strengthen weak follicles and stop the process of hair loss.

3) We will need you to come to Athens Greece, proposed available period

4) We will need you just for one day for the treatment from morning till afternoon in our state of the art clinic in Athens (http://www.iatrikopsychikou.gr/). Then you will be discharged and be able to go back to your normal life.

5) Liposuction and Autologous Stem Cell treatment will be performed by specialized plastic surgeon

What I'd ask them is to give you a guarantee. Ask them to do a hair count before and after and in case there's no improvement, a restitution of all your money. You're paying a hefty sum, you will want to have results ! Most probably they'll give you some BS like "yeah we can't do that cause it doesn't work in all patients" or something like that. In that case, I'd move on.

[Alias123]

smart, ill do that! thank you for the advice

[nameless]

And since I've shown that your argument was made out of thin air (there was no bickering in that thread), please allow me to give my arguments why in my opinion you scared him away. Let's look at some of your posts then:

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/16284-Q-A-with-Dr.-Aaron-Gardner?p=174958&highlight=#post174958

Especially

Really ? I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I read this. Why the hell would he want to add fat from the stomach ? Of coure he's not even considering that ! He just said that in his model he wants to add other cells so that outside of the body, he can mimic the human scalp environment as closely as possible. That has NOTHING to do with stomach fat ! And then that comment about long hair on the stomach... Wow ... I laughed out loud there actually.

Then:

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/16284-Q-A-with-Dr.-Aaron-Gardner?p=174568&highlight=#post174568

Specifically

This guy has spent the last few years of his life full time trying to generate hair follicles and you say he should just stop doing it and focus on a different approach ? Really ? Do you have any idea how insulting that must sound ?

Then:

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/16284-Q-A-with-Dr.-Aaron-Gardner?p=174966&highlight=#post174966

Specifically

Wow ... You really topped yourself there. You basically tell him he sucks at doing his work and then you ask some totally irrelevant questions and show you have no idea what you're even talking about.

And then you spam him with several questions in a row, like here: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/thread...Gardner/page16 See that last post on that page and then the first 3 posts on the next page. They are ALL yours ! They're all long, each one consisting of several sub questions, they're all irrelevant, or asked before, and/or demonstrating you're clueless and realy don't even understand what you're asking. Do you want me to clarify that ? And you think it's weird he left ? Why the HELL would he enjoy answering those pages of nonrelevant, bizarre and stupid questions ? What if his collegue's look what he's up to and they see him answering those questions, what do you think they'd say ?

Arishi shut up.

I will ask the questions I ask and you ask the questions you ask.

Just because you think some question doesn't need answering doesn't mean that another poster doesn't have the right to ask that question. If a person is stuck on an issue then the person should ask a question about it so that he can get *unstuck* about that issue. Every teacher in America says,"There is no stupid question" but those teachers have never met the Arishi boorish overbearing controlling personal who ridicules other persons (in this case myself) because you feel you have the right to censor other poster's questions. The stupidest thing ever said at this site was your insistence that the 2014 hair loss congress researchers had resolved the trichogenicity issue so you are in no position to insult anyone else's intelligence. The 2nd stupidest thing said at this site is your ignorant resistance to AAPE. I have no respect for any of your judgments or conclusions. I will look over evidence you submit to the site but I reject the conclusions you come to because you're a mistake prone boor.

[nameless]

don't think so,
i have just found a clinic in athens which is offering the ADSC treatment(maybe this is an annex of the Swiss clinic in athens-we have to find this out)and collaborates with that laboratory(http://theracell.eu/)

we should contact theracell to get all the addresses of clinics where we can get this treatment
with which clinic are you in contact?

This is the clinic I'm talking with:

http://ddrheinrich.com/en/treatments/face-skin-hair/

As I posted they are willing to entertain the idea of a group discount.

And you are definitely right that we should get in touch with theracell to try to learn the addresses of ALL of the clinics where we can get this treatment so that we can determine which is the best clinic. And given that the ddrheinrich clinic was positive about the idea of giving a group discount I think other clinics that offer this treatment might also be willing to give a group discount.

[hellouser]

What I'd ask them is to give you a guarantee. Ask them to do a hair count before and after and in case there's no improvement, a restitution of all your money. You're paying a hefty sum, you will want to have results ! Most probably they'll give you some BS like "yeah we can't do that cause it doesn't work in all patients" or something like that. In that case, I'd move on.

Wouldn't it be REALLY difficult to do a hair count? I mean, the only time that it's really obvious that there's more hair is after an HT or some seriously good results with finasteride/minoxidil/ru58841 (which rarely happen).

You have to taken into account the patient being on any existing meds. And then if growth does occur, you could attribute it to meds rather than the ADSC treatment. But let's say they're not on meds... what about hair growth cycles? Could it not be possible for growth to be at the hands of hair coming back into the anagen phase in sync? How would they even do a hair count though? Using one area would be difficult.... and how would they even count one area before and ensure the EXACT same area gets counted again months later? I can only see this happening with dotted tattoo markers; 4 points creating a square but done in several areas across the balding scalp.

[Arashi]

Wouldn't it be REALLY difficult to do a hair count? I mean, the only time that it's really obvious that there's more hair is after an HT or some seriously good results with finasteride/minoxidil/ru58841 (which rarely happen).

You have to taken into account the patient being on any existing meds. And then if growth does occur, you could attribute it to meds rather than the ADSC treatment. But let's say they're not on meds... what about hair growth cycles? Could it not be possible for growth to be at the hands of hair coming back into the anagen phase in sync? How would they even do a hair count though? Using one area would be difficult.... and how would they even count one area before and ensure the EXACT same area gets counted again months later? I can only see this happening with dotted tattoo markers; 4 points creating a square but done in several areas across the balding scalp.

About the hair cycles: at any given point about 10% of the hair is in its resting phase. Unless injecting those cells would somehow influence that cycle there wouldn't be any substantial change in hair count, so I don't think that would be a problem. A hair count itself is rather easy to perform, several clinics can offer it if you ask for it. I don't think they'd need to mark it with tattoo's, just a hair count on 3-4 spots in the treated area would be enough.

It's something I'd definitely ask for anyway.