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We should stop the childish arguments. We all have the same objective. And I'm accused of a lot of stuff that's bs. Haircare says that everywhere I go I annoy people, but that's just because it's the same people who are mad at me from a different site. The fact of the matter is that if I had never defended Nigam there would be no more arguing between myself and other posters than anyone else and other posters. I disagree with the majority about Nigam. I have the right to my opinion and free speech allows me to say my opinion about Nigam as much as anyone can say their opinion about Nigam. Since the arguing is mostly about Nigam why don't we all keep that in mind and try to focus on more productive issues. There is not one shred of evidence that anything i said got Dr. Gardner to leave. This accusation by Arishi is like so many of Arishi's unfounded statements, such as his statements that the trichogenicity issue was resolved and needhairasap is on the Pilox payroll. Arishi is full of it. Let's get back to our collective goal of finding a cure for hair loss.
I'm thinking about getting adipose derived stem cell injections. Has anyone regrown hair using adipose derived stem cell injections?Comment
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I wonder if we organized a group to go to Switzerland to get their treatment - true and pure adipose derived stem cells - if we could get a discount? What do you think?
Maybe we could get a hundred people, or even more than a hundred, to have the Swiss treatment if they would give us some kind of group discount. What does everyone think?Comment
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Autologous Transplantation or Autotransplantation is the transplantation of organs, tissues or even proteins from one part of the body to another in the same individual. Tissue transplanted by such "autologous" procedure is referred to as an autograft or autotransplant. It is contrasted with xenotransplantation (from other species) andallotransplantation (from other individual of same species).
The full procedure of Autologous Adipose-derived Adult Stem Cell Transplantation.
The procedure is done without general anesthesia.The entire procedure takes around four hours.
The process is completed in the following steps:
1. Local anesthesia. Local anesthesia to the skin, which will be taking the fat from unwanted area.
2. Harvest Harvest 100cc of adipose tissue, like a mini-liposuction procedure.
3. Separate. Adult Stem Cells (ASCs) is separated from the fat cells and isolated from other cells.
4. Activate. ASCs are activated using specialized laser light.
5. Return. The cells are then administered back -tranplant- to the patient through one or more of the following modes of administration:
a) Intravenous: The ASCs are administered through a standard intravenous infusion.(more)
b) Topical: The ASCs are administered directly into a localized area different from their tissue of origin .(more)
c) Fat Transfer: The ASCs are mixed with the fat filler - biomaterial mix before reintroduction .(more)
d) Bank: Bank of stem cells is vital for certain procedures that require repeated administration. This is done under the EU GMP protocol .(more)Comment
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I definitely believe we want to use PURE adiposed derived stem cells, and lots of them, rather than using SVF, which contains some useless stuff. In America we can get SVF but we can't get pure adipose derived stem cells.
The more I look at the evidence I can't tell if it's best to use cultured adipose derived stem cells or fresh adipose derived stem cells. There appears to be some evidence that cultured adipose derived stem cells may lose some of their potency during culture.
I am not the reason Dr. Gardner stopped talking to the board. Arishi's claim that I caused Dr. Gardner to leave is another baseless incorrect statement by Arishi among dozens of baseless inaccurate statements by Arishi.Comment
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We should stop the childish arguments. We all have the same objective. And I'm accused of a lot of stuff that's bs. Haircare says that everywhere I go I annoy people, but that's just because it's the same people who are mad at me from a different site. The fact of the matter is that if I had never defended Nigam there would be no more arguing between myself and other posters than anyone else and other posters. I disagree with the majority about Nigam. I have the right to my opinion and free speech allows me to say my opinion about Nigam as much as anyone can say their opinion about Nigam. Since the arguing is mostly about Nigam why don't we all keep that in mind and try to focus on more productive issues. There is not one shred of evidence that anything i said got Dr. Gardner to leave. This accusation by Arishi is like so many of Arishi's unfounded statements, such as his statements that the trichogenicity issue was resolved and needhairasap is on the Pilox payroll. Arishi is full of it. Let's get back to our collective goal of finding a cure for hair loss.
I'm thinking about getting adipose derived stem cell injections. Has anyone regrown hair using adipose derived stem cell injections?
Choose any and all of the above, because that's all you seem to know how to do. You present biased incomplete evidence regarding AAPE and spread it as truth and a cure, and you make false accusations about other members. Don't you think it's any wonder you are in moderation Queue?Comment
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Hello again everyone.
Apologies for my hiatus, I've had some things to sort out.
I have actually in the intervening period had an ADSC procedure (in Austria) - it involves taking fat samples, they separate the stemcells and mix with PRP and then inject into your scalp. I can say that it has stopped the loss and has regrown hair. Results aren't that significant, but you have to get this done a few times before it's really noticeable. I would rather do this than have a hair transplant, as the idea of it doesn't sit well with me.
I recently posted to the crowd-funding forum but didn't follow up, as I had some things to sort out. As my crowd-funding initiative is intended on this topic though, I'll post here.
As some of you may have seen, a while ago I mentioned that I would organise for Fukuoka's research to be replicated, and I was trying to source a lab and put together a sort of 'package' to help people regrow their hair.
I have now sourced a lab in Europe, and would now like to appeal to the community for crowd-funding this venture.
I'm looking to raise approx. 50,000CHF (approx. $55,000).
This will pay for 4 test subjects to have lipo-aspirate (fat) extracted, have their cells cultured under hypoxic conditions and receive a series of injections with a partner clinic.
As some of you may know, this isn't quite the same as an ADSC procedure. ADSC involves actually using your stem cells and then injecting them into your scalp. This - which started this whole topic - is the use of the various growth factors secreted by culturing the stem cells, not using the cells themselves. Here in Europe, you can use the stem cells extracted, but only at the time of extraction. Stem cells can't be cultured and then used in procedures. However, it is perfectly legal to culture stem cells and use the growth factors they secrete in procedures - this is currently used for skin rejuvenation therapies.
The reason for culturing under hypoxic conditions - as Fukuoka noted - is that the stem cells secrete slightly elevated levels and a few more growth factors which are more conducive to growing hair. He also added some vitamins, such as zinc and biotin which we all know are good for hair growth.
So firstly, I would like to see whether people are interested and whether we could raise this money between us.
The first half or so of that money would go towards in vitro testing, and subsequently to application on some test subjects.
If results are satisfactory, then my intention is to put together a 'package' and work with partner clinics to provide a much better route for people to regrow their hair - hopefully without the need for hair transplants, but that isn't to say that it couldnt help these people too.
On that topic, it would probably be a good idea to have a test subject who has had a hair transplant so this could be tested both on the recipient and donor area to see the effects.
Thoughts are welcome, but please don't let it degrade into in-fighting and pseudo-scientific rubbish - we've all got a common goal here.Comment
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You say you are proactive, but tell me exactly what are you proactive in? Trolling numerous hairloss forums? Being hypocritical? Spamming threads about nonsense ideas involving scam doctors? Or is it simply being to ignorant and stubborn to understand the very treatments that you so vehemently support?
Choose any and all of the above, because that's all you seem to know how to do. You present biased incomplete evidence regarding AAPE and spread it as truth and a cure, and you make false accusations about other members. Don't you think it's any wonder you are in moderation Queue?
What am I proactive in? I guess I've accomplished nothing whereas you on the other hand have cured hair loss! LOL!!
All you accomplish is arguing and bickering, which has risen to the level of trolling. You wreck threads and sites with your bickering and arguing. You accomplish squat. And it's apparent that you argue and bicker because you can't cope with baldness, you're angry about your baldness, and you want someone/something to gripe about so you can vent your inner baldness anger.
You say nothing. If you stopped posting your absence would not delay an effective baldness treatment by one second. You add nothing of relevance to the discussion and all you do is bicker and argue while you hypocritically toss about bickering and arguing so you can release another drop of your pent-up anger over your baldness. All of your baseless attack posts against me amount to nothing more than you throwing a getting your panties in a bunch because you're upset about being bald. Grow up.Comment
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Yesterday I spoke with the adipose derived stem cell clinic in The Bahamas. They only do adipose derived stem cells treatment for heart disease. Bahamian law only allows adipose derived stem cells for a few conditions, and one of them is heart disease. Hair loss is not one of them. He said hair loss could eventually be one of the conditions treated with adipose derived stem cells but that won't happen for years so we can rule out The Bahamas for adipose derived stem cells.
That aside, The man I talked to at the Bahamian clinic did tell me that their heart clinic uses PURE FRESH adipose derived stem cells for heart disease. He said that in USA all of the clinics are using something called SVF, which has some adipose derived stem cells in it but it also has quite a few other things in it. I would want PURE, or close to pure, adipose derived stem cells. He also said, and this is important, that there is evidence that adipose derived stem cells lose some potency during culture. He said this is one of the reasons his clinic only uses FRESH adipose derived stem cells. They isolate everything out of the harvest except the adipose derived stem cells and then inject them into the recipient area without any culture. Let me repeat - they say that culture diminishes the potency of the adipose derived stem cells.
so far we have found 3 clinics that may offer pure adipose derived stem cells and they are in Austria, Switzerland, and China. It appears that the clinics in Switzerland and China culture PURE adipose derived stem cells so they can create a lot more and then they inject then into the recipient area. I think that the Austrian clinic may use only FRESH adipose derived stem cells, which means that they're ADSCs might be more potent than the adipose derived stem cells at the Swiss and Chinese clinics.
I need more time to look into this research and see if it really matters if the adipose derived stem cells are fresh or cultured. Also, I'm trying to communicate with the Austrian, Chinese, and Swiss clinics to get information from them about whether they use cultured or fresh ADSCs.
But one thing I believe is that if we were to decide to get adipose derived stem cells (fresh or cultured) I think if we were to do this as a group we could ask for a discount. I think we should try to see how many people might be interested in being a part of such a group. I think it could save us each a thousand dollars or more.Comment
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Nameless, please read carefully what I'm proposing before replying.
There are 2 things to note here;
1. I don't want alternatives, I have spent a lot of time researching this and I'm trying to gauge interest in this particular thing, nothing more, nothing less. I have already organised a lab and sent many emails back and forth coming to an agreement on research funding etc.
2. It NOT legal in Europe (or anywhere else in the world I believe) where you can culture stem cells and then use them in any kind of procedure, without first going through clinical trials.
What I am proposing is using the growth factors secreted by the stem cells, not the stem cells themselves - this is in line with the research which started this topic and the reason I am proposing funding for it, is that it requires no clinical trials. It is within current law.
Can I simply get a show of hands please as to who is interested? Maybe I would be better starting a new topic from the main cutting edge treatments category.Comment
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Nameless, please read carefully what I'm proposing before replying.
There are 2 things to note here;
1. I don't want alternatives, I have spent a lot of time researching this and I'm trying to gauge interest in this particular thing, nothing more, nothing less. I have already organised a lab and sent many emails back and forth coming to an agreement on research funding etc.
2. It NOT legal in Europe (or anywhere else in the world I believe) where you can culture stem cells and then use them in any kind of procedure, without first going through clinical trials.
What I am proposing is using the growth factors secreted by the stem cells, not the stem cells themselves - this is in line with the research which started this topic and the reason I am proposing funding for it, is that it requires no clinical trials. It is within current law.
Can I simply get a show of hands please as to who is interested? Maybe I would be better starting a new topic from the main cutting edge treatments category.Comment
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You may want to consult a lawyer before making a general solicitation like this... or at least disclaim that you aren't selling equity and that this is a donation based crowdfunding attempt...
“General solicitation" or "general advertising" are undefined in the statutes or rules. Instead, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) takes a case by case approach. Rule 502(c) prohibits:
any advertisement, article, notice or other communication published in any newspaper, magazine, or similar media or broadcast over television and radio; and
any seminar or meeting whose attendees have been invited by any general solicitation or general advertising."Comment
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Nameless, please read carefully what I'm proposing before replying.
There are 2 things to note here;
1. I don't want alternatives, I have spent a lot of time researching this and I'm trying to gauge interest in this particular thing, nothing more, nothing less. I have already organised a lab and sent many emails back and forth coming to an agreement on research funding etc.
2. It NOT legal in Europe (or anywhere else in the world I believe) where you can culture stem cells and then use them in any kind of procedure, without first going through clinical trials.
What I am proposing is using the growth factors secreted by the stem cells, not the stem cells themselves - this is in line with the research which started this topic and the reason I am proposing funding for it, is that it requires no clinical trials. It is within current law.
Can I simply get a show of hands please as to who is interested? Maybe I would be better starting a new topic from the main cutting edge treatments category.
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Nameless, please read carefully what I'm proposing before replying.
There are 2 things to note here;
1. I don't want alternatives, I have spent a lot of time researching this and I'm trying to gauge interest in this particular thing, nothing more, nothing less. I have already organised a lab and sent many emails back and forth coming to an agreement on research funding etc.
2. It NOT legal in Europe (or anywhere else in the world I believe) where you can culture stem cells and then use them in any kind of procedure, without first going through clinical trials.
What I am proposing is using the growth factors secreted by the stem cells, not the stem cells themselves - this is in line with the research which started this topic and the reason I am proposing funding for it, is that it requires no clinical trials. It is within current law.
Can I simply get a show of hands please as to who is interested? Maybe I would be better starting a new topic from the main cutting edge treatments category.
I also suggested here the idea that we organize and form a clinic that would sell us AAPE treatments. You would not believe how much I was bashed here for suggesting this.
That aside, I think that setting up a clinic for these growth factors is a good and a bad idea. Let me explain the good and the bad.
The good: Studies have shown that these growth factors grow hair. The growth factors injected as a liquid would go all throughout the follicles soaking all the key parts of the follicles.
The bad: You would have to do numerous repeat injections because when the cells sent these same growth factors to the follicles they do so continuously so you would have to get the injections frequently in the beginning at least.
If you inject the cells instead then the cells would be continuously sending these same growth factors to the follicles since the cells would stay in the body. So you may need repeat injections with the cells too but you would probably not need as many repeat injections if you used the cells as you would if you use the growth factors from the cells. On the other hand, with the cells there is the issue that if they're injected they may be too large to get into some of the places they need to get to in order to do the job whereas the liquid growth factor solution could splash all throughout the follicles much better.
There are advantages and disadvantages to using the cells or the growth factors from the cells. I need time to think all of this through but I am definitely interested in what you're proposing.Comment
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This accusation by Arishi is like so many of Arishi's unfounded statements, such as his statements that the trichogenicity issue was resolvedComment
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