adipose-derived stem cell protein extract

[hellouser]

About the hair cycles: at any given point about 10% of the hair is in its resting phase. Unless injecting those cells would somehow influence that cycle there wouldn't be any substantial change in hair count, so I don't think that would be a problem. A hair count itself is rather easy to perform, several clinics can offer it if you ask for it. I don't think they'd need to mark it with tattoo's, just a hair count on 3-4 spots in the treated area would be enough.

It's something I'd definitely ask for anyway.

Ok, but what if the hair goes into crazy shedding like it would on minoxidil? Do we then say 'yeah, the treatment makes hair worse' only to find out a year later that it actually has positive effects? This would require several hair counts over an extended period of time.

[Arashi]

Ok, but what if the hair goes into crazy shedding like it would on minoxidil? Do we then say 'yeah, the treatment makes hair worse' only to find out a year later that it actually has positive effects? This would require several hair counts over an extended period of time.

Yeah you could give them a year as a time period to do the 2 hair counts, any shedding should have stopped long before the end of a year. But maybe they say that shedding is highly unlikely to occur anyway and they'd agree with a shorter time period. But, most likely, they won't do the hair count anyway since they're unsure of the results themselves. Which would be enough reason for me to move on.

[Arashi]

@JarJarbinx/nameless:

First of all, this is going to be my last post on the subject. Let's keep this thread on topic from now on. So, after this post I will give you the opportunity to make more baseless accusations cause I know you will want to have the last word and you're going to make up that I said all kinds of stupid things without any proof as usual. That's all good. Then, After that let's never mention dr Gardner again in this thread and keep it on topic. Deal ?

Now first of all:

I will ask the questions I ask and you ask the questions you ask.

I actually agree with this. Even though it would have most probably resulted in dr Gardner being around here some longer, I don't believe in a system where a moderator or anyone decides what can be said and what can't be. I'm a strong advocate of freedom of speech and a system like that sooner or later always leads to problems. So yeah, you can ask whatever interests you. In fact, I'm hoping we can motivate Dr Gardner to come back here next year after the next conference and do a short Q&A again. However, next time, just please consider that a professor like him comes here for his enjoyment. Most academics with a passion for their job enjoy conversation about it. To keep it enjoyable for him to, please at least consider next time to:

* Just ask ONE question at a time ! Think of the thing you would want to know the most, post it and then let him answer that question first and give others the opportunity to post questions and have their answers. Don't flood him with tons of questions/posts in a row.
* Just don't tell him how to do his job !
* Really read his answer thoroughly and TRY to understand what he says before moving on to the next question !
* Ask yourself, is there even anyway he could possibly know the answer to my question ?
* Keep up with the thread and don't post questions that have been asked before. If you can't bring that up, then just dont post at all !
* Ask yourself: WHY am I even asking this ?
* Read the questions from others ! Some really interesting and intelligent questions where posted by posters like Joachim, SdSurfin, JJJJrS and many more. I really enjoyed reading them and often times that's much more interesting than just pushing your next question online.

Basically just try to keep all this enjoyable for him too. Of course he understands not everybody is an academic here, that doesn't matter at all !

Anyway, just some well meant advice and hopefully next time he'll stick around some longer !

[nameless]

@JarJarbinx/nameless:

First of all, this is going to be my last post on the subject. Let's keep this thread on topic from now on. So, after this post I will give you the opportunity to make more baseless accusations cause I know you will want to have the last word and you're going to make up that I said all kinds of stupid things without any proof as usual. That's all good. Then, After that let's never mention dr Gardner again in this thread and keep it on topic. Deal ?

Now first of all:

I actually agree with this. Even though it would have most probably resulted in dr Gardner being around here some longer, I don't believe in a system where a moderator or anyone decides what can be said and what can't be. I'm a strong advocate of freedom of speech and a system like that sooner or later always leads to problems. So yeah, you can ask whatever interests you. In fact, I'm hoping we can motivate Dr Gardner to come back here next year after the next conference and do a short Q&A again. However, next time, just please consider that a professor like him comes here for his enjoyment. Most academics with a passion for their job enjoy conversation about it. To keep it enjoyable for him to, please at least consider next time to:

* Just ask ONE question at a time ! Think of the thing you would want to know the most, post it and then let him answer that question first and give others the opportunity to post questions and have their answers. Don't flood him with tons of questions/posts in a row.
* Just don't tell him how to do his job !
* Really read his answer thoroughly and TRY to understand what he says before moving on to the next question !
* Ask yourself, is there even anyway he could possibly know the answer to my question ?
* Keep up with the thread and don't post questions that have been asked before. If you can't bring that up, then just dont post at all !
* Ask yourself: WHY am I even asking this ?
* Read the questions from others ! Some really interesting and intelligent questions where posted by posters like Joachim, SdSurfin, JJJJrS and many more. I really enjoyed reading them and often times that's much more interesting than just pushing your next question online.

Basically just try to keep all this enjoyable for him too. Of course he understands not everybody is an academic here, that doesn't matter at all !

Anyway, just some well meant advice and hopefully next time he'll stick around some longer !

Well, I see you went through a lot of trouble to type and post a long boring, and no doubt misleading, post to detail all the things I did that you claim drove Dr. Gardner away. I will make my post short and sweet.

How about if Dr. Gardner comes back you refrain from posting and let Gardner talk to everyone except you and that ssudsurfin guy, who posts whole books to Dr. Gardner. If you and ssudsurfin would refrain from posting I'm sure that would be sufficient to keep Dr. Gardner from leaving again.

And when you get right down to it you're posts are full if mistakes and incorrect conclusions anyway, such as your post stating that the 2014 hair loss congress researchers solved the trichogeniticy problem and how needhairasap is in cahoots with Yoram. Give me a break.

Now let's you and I stop our bickering so that me and the people with sense can evaluate the idea of ADSCs to possibly treat hair loss. Keep in mind that Dr. Gardner said that Jahoda himself is going to use these same cells to get DP cells to grow follicles so this means that Jahoda himself believes that these cells can enlarge follicles.

Let's have peace and constructive dialogue.

[Alias123]

I have a phone consultation scheduled tomorrow with the clinic in Greece, anyone have any questions you want me to ask?

[zeos]

I have a phone consultation scheduled tomorrow with the clinic in Greece, anyone have any questions you want me to ask?

names of plastic surgeon,clinic,laboratory

[Arashi]

names of plastic surgeon,clinic,laboratory

Good questions ! Also ask them about any guarantees, preferably with haircounts. Ask them about possible shedding. And ask them about the cell culturing: how many passes, how many cells, are there benefits, health risks, things like that. Good luck !

[PaddyBateman]

I believe that Ziering UK have been conducting clinical trials on Adipose stem cell this year, and are looking to start providing this treatment following a successful trial.

[hellouser]

I believe that Ziering UK have been conducting clinical trials on Adipose stem cell this year, and are looking to start providing this treatment following a successful trial.

Zeiring? The TV doctor? That guy is as credible as Dr. Drew.

[hgs1989]

I believe that Ziering UK have been conducting clinical trials on Adipose stem cell this year, and are looking to start providing this treatment following a successful trial.

source?!

[PaddyBateman]

Zeiring? The TV doctor? That guy is as credible as Dr. Drew.

Haha, oh come on.

Spencer Kobren would disagree somewhat.

And it's the UK clinics as far as I know.

[PaddyBateman]

source?!

Myself. I had surgery there. Ive discussed it in my several post-op check ups.

[hgs1989]

Myself. I had surgery there. Ive discussed it in my several post-op check ups.

nice. would you give us more details?

[hellouser]

Haha, oh come on.

Spencer Kobren would disagree somewhat.

And it's the UK clinics as far as I know.

I don't take Zeiring seriously at all. This dude has his name slapped on every hair treatment known to man. Nothing he's done has been better than a simple stone aged hair transplant.

[PaddyBateman]

I don't take Zeiring seriously at all. This dude has his name slapped on every hair treatment known to man. Nothing he's done has been better than a simple stone aged hair transplant.

Pls elaborate with details? I was unaware that he has done things to garner a reputation like this.

Also, why does Spencer vouch for him then ?