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I hope very close does mean very close, but didn't he say something about 2020-2023?
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That's of course including clinical trials, so the moment when we can expect it on the market in the western world. I was talking about a cure in the form of a succes cloning hair on humans, so a success pre clinical trials. Once that happens I'm popping the champagne
But it seems Desmond seems to think that might happen this year or the next.
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Gotta find a workaround to those overly long clinical trials. 8 years is overkill. Dr. Lauster's team should look into releasing the product as soon as possible wherever allowed to get the profits rolling.That's of course including clinical trials, so the moment when we can expect it on the market in the western world. I was talking about a cure in the form of a succes cloning hair on humans, so a success pre clinical trials. Once that happens I'm popping the champagne But it seems Desmond seems to think that might happen this year or the next.
If its possible to clone our hair now.... why wait with an arbitrary number of years? 8 years is just a made up number by the FDA and other health ministries. It doesn't mean anything.Comment
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Of course, he's referring to "very close" in the pre-clinical sense. After the preclinical is tackled, which should take a few years, if we are indeed "very close" then you can add to that 10+ years for fund raising, clinical trials and commercialization. So you're talking, realistically, anywhere from 10-20 years.
Depending on your age, this could be good or bad news.Comment
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I think Desmonds "VERY CLOSE" means he/researchers believe we are close to solving it. But just in the lab.
It would still need 8-10 years of clinical trials after that though.
Downside is how many times have we thought just one last hurdle in this nightmare though?? Too many times its thought all we have to do is figure out "X" and then its solved. It just seems to be hurdle after hurdle.
the frustrating part is we dont seem to know how many more surprise hurdles are left to solve.Comment
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Hellouser as soon as we find out what Desmond has I'm going to start talking to that gentleman in the Caribbean who's having scientists do the anti-aging treatments at his clinic (including on himself) and discuss with him the possibility of him starting the cell based therapies for hair loss at his clinic. But first we have to see what Desmond has. I'm not 100% sure he will do it but I think there's a very strong possibility that he might and I will definitely try to pursue a major discount to us all at TBT since we brought this info to him.
As a matter of fact I was thinking that I would initiate a dialogue with him next week on Wednesday, which is a day off for me. I was thinking I would initially make a phone call and then set-up a 3 way dialogue between you, he, and I so all 3 of us can discuss this. I was thinking I might bring Desmond and Arishi into the conversation to if they would be agreeable.
Again, I'm not making any promises that he will do it but I do feel that we have an in with him because he's already doing stem cell treatments that are not legal in the US. And he has real scientists on staff. This looks like a good set-up.Comment
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And that's exactly the reason why being at this congress was so important: to hear, for the first time in the history of this community, directly from the researchers themselves:
1) Where we currently stand
2) What hurdles are left (if any)
3) What timeframe they expect themselves
It seems Desmond got all that from Lauster's group, hopefully he can release all his info to us and hopefully he got to speak to Jahoda's group too, that would be awesome.Comment
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Let's put it this way;
The average cost of a proper FUE of about 2,000 grafts costs about $10,000. (You could argue this but whatever). Suppose each procedure lasts one full day (likely won't, theres no harvesting time required). You perform procedures all year round, monday - friday, so 260 days a year (lets omit holidays for now).
This equates to 2.6 million dollars in revenue off one doctor in one year and thats simply going by the low end cost for such a procedure. Open up 4 clinics with a 2 doctors each and you're banking in a crazy amount of money; 2.6 x 8 = 20.8 million dollars per year. You take a cut of that to pay for equipment, clinic space rental, etc and you can not only pay the doctor but have vasts amount of money to pay for clinical trials with FDA and in Europe without a) asking for grants from the German/EU government b) crowdfunding c) venture capitalists
I'm fairly sure Dr. Lauster and Dr. Lindner will want to patent their methods so NOBODY will be able to copy them either, thereby securing the entire market all to themselves for decades to come. They not only get the ball rolling early, but the income pays for everything else they do in the lab.
Just need to find a country that will allow it after one safety trial.Comment
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GOOOOOOOOOD morning Desmond
How are you doing today, on the last day of the congress ? Some interesting speeches, SY8, FC6 and SY10 seem to have some interesing ones. Anyway could you give us a quick update on yesterday ? And good luck again brother ! It's just 3.5 hours today (afternoon program doesn't seem that interesting although maybe our female readers are interested in LS5-1 and LS5-2)
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Hahaha good morning ArashiGOOOOOOOOOD morning Desmond How are you doing today, on the last day of the congress ? Some interesting speeches, SY8, FC6 and SY10 seem to have some interesing ones. Anyway could you give us a quick update on yesterday ? And good luck again brother ! It's just 3.5 hours today (afternoon program doesn't seem that interesting although maybe our female readers are interested in LS5-1 and LS5-2)
Yesterday was probably the reason why we came here. Most of the interesting lectures were presented yesterday including Dr Jahodas work, Lauster and the Japanese. One thing I should mention is that they are all well aware of each others work even of the work of those that didnt attend. A lecture even summarised how far along the Chinese and Taiwanese have come! Something I didn't realise they knew about u til it was presented.
A lot of great information got recorded man. I'll let you and others to decipher it once its all uploaded.
PS. All of those lectures you pointed out for today are on my record list lol...even the female hairloss one at the end.
Cheers guys. Got to start recording.Comment
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Wonderful again Desmond and I'm happy to hear that all the researchers are very well aware of each other's work and progress, that's a great thing. Good luck on the last day !!Hahaha good morning Arashi
Yesterday was probably the reason why we came here. Most of the interesting lectures were presented yesterday including Dr Jahodas work, Lauster and the Japanese. One thing I should mention is that they are all well aware of each others work even of the work of those that didnt attend. A lecture even summarised how far along the Chinese and Taiwanese have come! Something I didn't realise they knew about u til it was presented.
A lot of great information got recorded man. I'll let you and others to decipher it once its all uploaded.
PS. All of those lectures you pointed out for today are on my record list lol...even the female hairloss one at the end.
Cheers guys. Got to start recording.Comment
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I wasn't saying don't market/promote it. They could set it up through there, than it's not a "donation" page-- its a stake in the outcome that you're buying--> just like a real investor.
This give people more incentive to give, aka we can raise more money faster.
Do you understand the difference between donation and equity crowdfunding? Do you know the difference between charity and a stock? I'm asking seriously not pretentiously.Comment
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Hey guys.
I've been lurking on this site for a couple of months now and sometimes in these arguments I do not know who I should be listening to.
I know that Desmond is a Ph.D student but is anyone else here a hair researcher/bio grad student?Comment
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