WCHR 2014 Presentations (Community-funded)

[ytterligare]

Let's wait for what Desmond will find out in the next 2 days and listen to him. I'm sure he'll know better than all of us what we can do.

[bigentries]

That's why I've repeated numerous times that crowdfunding should happen once we have concise evidence from the researchers that YES, WE CAN GROW FULL TERMINAL HAIR GROWING FOLLICLES WITH COLOUR IN ANY NUMBER DE NOVO ON HUMAN SCALP.

Until that happens, we're basically taking a shot in the dark. I always had a gut feeling that Dr. Lauster's work was the holy grail... I'm ready to go ****ing balls out on a crowdfunding campaign if its legit. I'm NOT wasting my time on Aderans. Histogen on the other hand, would be a fantastic bridging solution, so if they actually didnt **** around, I'd be more than willing to support them if they committed to a commercial release.

Everyone that thinks otherwise should read the fiasco that happened two weeks before Histogen released their last results

People came close to opening that kickstarter account, everyone that asked for some skepticism was labeled as pessimistic, was wished baldness, etc.

Then Histogen released the info from the trial and everyone stopped posting about it.

People need to start thinking logically and stop giving in to the excitement of a possible cure.

Better to invest that money in case something comes out in 10 years instead of thinking into giving free money

I said it before, if someone has a cure in their hands, they don't need or want our money before it gets into the market

[hellouser]

Better to invest that money in case something comes out in 10 years instead of thinking into giving free money

The hell? Nobody is expecting a downpayment on a house as a monetary contribution. As I said earlier; if 1 in 50 americans donated only 50 cents, we'd have 3 million dollars, more than enough to fulfill follica's needs.

I said it before, if someone has a cure in their hands, they don't need or want our money before it gets into the market

If that were true, Follica wouldn't be in need of 2 million dollars right now.

[Thinning87]

A lot of you guys seem to just think 'lets crowdfund, it'll be easy!' It's not easy, its very time consuming. It is, however as you already know, very possible to succeed.

I just don't have faith in many members willing to put in the effort. Otherwise, I and maybe a few others would be stuck on our own. Which is fine, I can take all the glory when it comes to doing something proactive... at least I'd know I contributed.

I think next week I'm going to start a thread point out all the necessary steps.

I disagree that it's so hard. We just need to get 5 guys to share their contact info privately and work on it on the side.

We sent Desmond to a freaking conference in South Korea!

[TravisB]

Oh come on! It's obvious that Cotsarelis is bullshitting

$2 million to release something better than Propecia and Minox, and $20 million to release a full cure?

****ing LOL

That money is ****ing NOTHING

It looks like this whole hairloss research industry is one big joke and a scam

All these years and they can't even release a simple thing better than Propecia, let alone a full cure

I'm quite convinced now that if any cure will ever come out, it be hair multiplication or cell therapies, not some wounding or some other bullshit from Follica/Histogen/Replicel or other scammers of that kind. Of course it won't be anytime soon. We're talking decades.

Next realistic thing and only thing which I believe in seems to be CB-03-01. If it will be able to stop hairloss completely + give some moderate regrowth it will be brilliant

[hellouser]

I disagree that it's so hard. We just need to get 5 guys to share their contact info privately and work on it on the side.

We sent Desmond to a freaking conference in South Korea!

Sure, but what are you going to present? Anyone who's going to need to have your interests will want to see a presentation;

You: Hi, wanna give money to cure baldness through crowdfunding?
Celeb: What's crowdfunding?
You: An international effort through various platforms to raise awareness and funding for a specific goal; baldness cure.
Celeb: Ok, how does it work?
You: People go online and make donations.
Celeb: Where do they make the donation?
You: On our website.
Celeb: What's the website?

And this is where things go downhill. They're going to want to see the site, how it functions, whats on it, who else is partnered, mission statements, total amount raised thus far, name, logo, promotional videos, posters, media kits, social media platforms, etc. etc. I came up with a brilliant idea the other day;

Since men receive zero sympathy for baldness (this isn't up for debate), women are far more likely to have an outpouring of support. However, even this would be somewhat 'played out' with women because nobody ever sees women as bald to the degree that men are. However... if you REALLY want to play with people's emotions and play the sympathy card:

CHILDREN.

And I'm talking 6 years and younger. Show an innocent and adorable child thats a burn victim with the prospect of having hair, or even being given hair, seeing them go from absolute rock bottom feeling to complete bliss and their smiles and you'll INSTANTLY having people sobbing over this.

[joachim]

oh my god... although desmonds fantastic efforts and some good news it's still very dissapointing... waiting for another 10 years is no option at all. we have to quickly find out what's holding dr. lauster/linder back from starting phase 1 sooner. is it a technical problem with the dp culturing or is it something else? i hope they let desmond explain the technical details to us. if we can accelerate the process with money somehow, then we should put all the crowdfunding energy into their technology.
i assume they are able to create hairs with all required properties already, but maybe the reactor is not yet 100% efficient. maybe only 3 of 10 hairs are developing into fully functional follicles or something like that. if that's the case, we are still talking of serious hair multiplication, even it needs more rounds to reach the right amount of hair, therefore more expensive, too. i believe, the germans want to optimize this stuff before starting trials.

but i don't want to accept that it looks like they have cracked the code already but still waiting years to start phase 1. if they have a quasi-solution already, we should get to know about it.

[TravisB]

Since men receive zero sympathy for baldness (this isn't up for debate), women are far more likely to have an outpouring of support. However, even this would be somewhat 'played out' with women because nobody ever sees women as bald to the degree that men are. However... if you REALLY want to play with people's emotions and play the sympathy card:

CHILDREN.

And I'm talking 6 years and younger. Show an innocent and adorable child thats a burn victim with the prospect of having hair, or even being given hair, seeing them go from absolute rock bottom feeling to complete bliss and their smiles and you'll INSTANTLY having people sobbing over this.

Lol isn't that the truth?

NO ONE gives a **** about suffering of bald adult men or takes them seriously

Bald women will receive WAY more sympathy

But bald children would receive even more sympathy

Baldness sympathy meter:

Children>Women>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adult Men

So yeah, bald children would be the best for playing with emotions

[Thinning87]

Sure, but what are you going to present? Anyone who's going to need to have your interests will want to see a presentation;

You: Hi, wanna give money to cure baldness through crowdfunding?
Celeb: What's crowdfunding?
You: An international effort through various platforms to raise awareness and funding for a specific goal; baldness cure.
Celeb: Ok, how does it work?
You: People go online and make donations.
Celeb: Where do they make the donation?
You: On our website.
Celeb: What's the website?

And this is where things go downhill. They're going to want to see the site, how it functions, whats on it, who else is partnered, mission statements, total amount raised thus far, name, logo, promotional videos, posters, media kits, social media platforms, etc. etc. I came up with a brilliant idea the other day;

Since men receive zero sympathy for baldness (this isn't up for debate), women are far more likely to have an outpouring of support. However, even this would be somewhat 'played out' with women because nobody ever sees women as bald to the degree that men are. However... if you REALLY want to play with people's emotions and play the sympathy card:

CHILDREN.

And I'm talking 6 years and younger. Show an innocent and adorable child thats a burn victim with the prospect of having hair, or even being given hair, seeing them go from absolute rock bottom feeling to complete bliss and their smiles and you'll INSTANTLY having people sobbing over this.

I disagree. We don't have to pitch rich people. Just a big crowd funding campaign.

All we need to do is:

0 find a group of 5 users among ourselves (I volunteer) with the right mix of skills to work on the following steps privately, sharing our own private info amongst ourselves. We will update the forum on our status. The team should include people with both website creation/ crowd funding skills / knowledge of the science

1 choose the team to back

2 contact them and ask them if they will accept the money

3 in return they will have to collaborate with us by providing us with a decent outline detailing how much money they need, what goal they think they can achieve with it, and how long it should take them more and less.

4 launch website marketing what the recipients have given us in #3 with a crowd funding link (like those "sign the petition and donate $10)


It's that easy. Anyone can donate $10. We can reach out to millions of people and the money will flow in very fast.

oh my god... although desmonds fantastic efforts and some good news it's still very dissapointing... waiting for another 10 years is no option at all. we have to quickly find out what's holding dr. lauster/linder back from starting phase 1 sooner. is it a technical problem with the dp culturing or is it something else? i hope they let desmond explain the technical details to us. if we can accelerate the process with money somehow, then we should put all the crowdfunding energy into their technology.
i assume they are able to create hairs with all required properties already, but maybe the reactor is not yet 100% efficient. maybe only 3 of 10 hairs are developing into fully functional follicles or something like that. if that's the case, we are still talking of serious hair multiplication, even it needs more rounds to reach the right amount of hair, therefore more expensive, too. i believe, the germans want to optimize this stuff before starting trials.

but i don't want to accept that it looks like they have cracked the code already but still waiting years to start phase 1. if they have a quasi-solution already, we should get to know about it.

Agreed

[joachim]

follica is a joke. what about the BS talk where they say they are VERY CLOSE to releasing a product to end the combover stories? is 10 years the definition of very close?

so disappointing.
the 2 million would be no problem at all, but of what kind of product is cots talking about? we have the wounding stuff (with the help of lithium and fgf9) and the pgd2 stories. both are many years away. so what the hell is he meaning when he's talking about a 2 million product?

i don't know what to think of cots anymore. maybe money is truely a problem for him to take the research to the next level. but i somehow feel he is not eager to solve the problems at all.
he's a big name in the hairloss industry, and he would have the power to get the right people and investors together to speed up the whole thing. but as many others, he's only a researcher which tinkers around for decades, publishing some papers and gets some fame in the industry, and that's it. only participating on the BBQ, but not eager to find the ultimate solution. if he wants money for more advanced research, they have to show much more transparency and show where they stand today.
man, they even patented the laser for the wounding stuff. and still 10 years away? that's crazy.

[nameless]

Lol isn't that the truth?

NO ONE gives a **** about suffering of bald adult men or takes them seriously

Bald women will receive WAY more sympathy

But bald children would receive even more sympathy

Baldness sympathy meter:

Children>Women>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adult Men

So yeah, bald children would be the best for playing with emotions

Are you aware that this plan you are talking about involves a long LONG wait until you get relief? You would still have to do all clinical trials and then submit to FDA and all of that would take about 7 - 8 years. Are you really willing to wait 7 - 8 years?

[hellouser]

I disagree. We don't have to pitch rich people. Just a big crowd funding campaign.

All we need to do is:

0 find a group of 5 users among ourselves (I volunteer) with the right mix of skills to work on the following steps privately, sharing our own private info amongst ourselves. We will update the forum on our status. The team should include people with both website creation/ crowd funding skills / knowledge of the science

1 choose the team to back

2 contact them and ask them if they will accept the money

3 in return they will have to collaborate with us by providing us with a decent outline detailing how much money they need, what goal they think they can achieve with it, and how long it should take them more and less.

4 launch website marketing what the recipients have given us in #3 with a crowd funding link (like those "sign the petition and donate $10)


It's that easy. Anyone can donate $10. We can reach out to millions of people and the money will flow in very fast.



Agreed

Next week I'll be posting a comprehensive list of roles required for such a venture. I've worked on a cancer research fund before, so this isn't new to me. You'll see what's required to make this work properly.

Indiegogo (a crowdfunding site) has a pretty awesome and thorough explanation of what should be done for a crowdfunding campaign to be successful:

http://go.indiegogo.com/playbook/life-cycle-phase

[hellouser]

follica is a joke. what about the BS talk where they say they are VERY CLOSE to releasing a product to end the combover stories? is 10 years the definition of very close?

They finished Phase II last year and have only 1 phase remaining... thats pretty close to a release.

[nameless]

They finished Phase II last year and have only 1 phase remaining... thats pretty close to a release.

Only 1 phase remaining if you would be happy with a treatment that is a little better than minoxidil or propecia.

[bigentries]

They finished Phase II last year and have only 1 phase remaining... thats pretty close to a release.

But what trials?

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14773&page=5

People were claiming those trials in advanced stage are just the lithium trials, there was conflicting reports about what stage follica really is