WCHR 2014 Presentations (Community-funded)

[joachim]

further, i'm wondering how desmond has still kept his positive thinking although he personally thinks a cure is still 7 to 10 years away. a big respect for that.
but i really can't imagine that we are still here in the forum in 10 years. will desmond, hellouser and arashi still be here in 5 years, with all their positive posts and efforts? will desmond still surprise us every year with a new research success story for the next 10 years until the cure is out? if we now all know that everything is really that far away where's the point then in staying here in the forum? this is a horror scenario.
in 10 years we'll have flying cars and still no hairloss cure =)

i really don't understand what's taking so long for them. if all the culturing work is done, i see no reason to wait for trials and all the waiting game. only the safety aspect has to be checked. this can be done in 1 year, or 2 years maximum. from that point, the treatment should be carried out in unrestricted countries. even if efficacy is not the best, nobody would care if he would have to go multiple times through the treatment, and pay thousands and thousands of dollas. this would be the early adopters. and then, the researchers can take as much time as they need to improve efficacy, instruments and the whole process and go through fda 10 times if they like.

[joachim]

I know this may be a big shot in the dark but, I'm sure a lot of you guys know about LeBron James and his now infamous hairline. Well apparently he's fed up with it and had gotten a hair transplant along with recently partnering with Hair Club for men. I know it's a slim chance but the guy is in contact with fans a lot and maybe he might be willing to help out.

perfect... also rooney, john cryer, travolta and thousand others will join (probably anonymously) if we raise awareness worldwide.

by the way: i just saw on tv, that robbie williams also admitted that he received some grafts for his hairline and temples. it's crazy because he almost had a full head of hair, but he was just cool enough to tell it to the public

[hellouser]

I know this may be a big shot in the dark but, I'm sure a lot of you guys know about LeBron James and his now infamous hairline. Well apparently he's fed up with it and had gotten a hair transplant along with recently partnering with Hair Club for men. I know it's a slim chance but the guy is in contact with fans a lot and maybe he might be willing to help out.

He's definitely insecure about his hairline. But theres other players that are losing it too.

Kevin Durant:



Carlos Boozer:



Blake Griffin's older brother is severely balding, and Blake's hairline is getting up to a NW1/2, Marcin Gortat is NW3, Kevin Love is at NW3 as well.

[hellouser]

i really don't understand what's taking so long for them. if all the culturing work is done, i see no reason to wait for trials and all the waiting game. only the safety aspect has to be checked. this can be done in 1 year, or 2 years maximum. from that point, the treatment should be carried out in unrestricted countries. even if efficacy is not the best, nobody would care if he would have to go multiple times through the treatment, and pay thousands and thousands of dollas. this would be the early adopters. and then, the researchers can take as much time as they need to improve efficacy, instruments and the whole process and go through fda 10 times if they like.

It really does make sense for them to release the treatment in countries with less regulations, use those results as a testbed as well as method of generating revenue to fund further trials for approval in more strict countries (USA, Europe).

Also, the FDA makes it very difficult to get true safety results because it stalls releases. The only real way to get safety results is if you get people to use it... but the trials are small, costly and take too much time. If they simply allowed people to USE the method, THEN they'd know about safety.

[joachim]

the good thing about team berlin (lauster, lindner, atac) is that they are located in germany. they will not care about the fda as first priority. they will release it in europe first which i assume doesn't take that long... or am i wrong? does anybody know how the european medical release procedure exactly works?

one important question desmond: from what you wrote it seems that team berlin really is focused on human treatments and curing baldness, and not only the biochip technology to enable animal-free testing of cosmetics. i think both goals will come at the same time: curing baldness and stopping animal-tests.
i really hope they are really eager to solve hairloss in a big style, too. is this case, desmond?
are they working on machines/reactors to make lab-grown hair mass producable to cure baldness, too?

[Haircure]

Lol @ the Carlos boozer pic, I remember that on Shaqtin a fool. Anyways LeBron apparently told boozer that he didn't have to paint his head anymore and that they would get their hair back. So yea who knows if he is presented with some good info he might do something about it. Also with regards to other players, I think most of them will just simply shave their heads like a lot of others have done but if someone like Lebron gets in on this then a lot of others will follow. By the way here's a link to what I was talking about earlier

http://www.thenewsnerd.com/sports/lebron-signs-with-hair-club-for-men/

[JZA70]

I find it absolutely hilarious that Cotsarelis trolled Desmond in real life. Wow. Better than both current treatments available but cant rake in two million to get it to market. Sure there. What is Follica ? A company that has nothing going for them but pretends they do.

I cant believe you actually have to make an appointment to talk to him.

Hellouser, you're a great poster, but like others have said, the world owes us nothing. Our genes screwed us over and you could very well be in your forties before anything of actual use comes along. Its sad because we only have one life and we want to live it to the best, but it just cant be done. We will NEVER live the life that we planned to live.

Not sure if anyone saw this - http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/glax...ndal-1.2643062

Just makes you wonder how screwed up the pharmaceutical industry is.

[joachim]

It really does make sense for them to release the treatment in countries with less regulations, use those results as a testbed as well as method of generating revenue to fund further trials for approval in more strict countries (USA, Europe).

Also, the FDA makes it very difficult to get true safety results because it stalls releases. The only real way to get safety results is if you get people to use it... but the trials are small, costly and take too much time. If they simply allowed people to USE the method, THEN they'd know about safety.

totally agreed. the early birds are a kind of beta testers. no need for decades of trials.

[bigentries]

totally agreed. the early birds are a kind of beta testers. no need for decades of trials.

The problem is that, people change their minds after something goes wrong and there could be money involved.

No one wants to risk that sort of lawsuit.

See how many former NFL players are suing the league because they weren't informed that hitting their heads was bad for you

If someone tries a cure and suddenly gets cancer, be sure they will sue

[JZA70]

They should sell DIY kits for growing hair. Only if that was possible.

Whatever it may be, it cant be more dangerous than Dut or Spiro which plenty of guys are already taking. Its probably as safe as it could be, but nope, here come 20 years of clinical trials.

[bigentries]

They should sell DIY kits for growing hair. Only if that was possible.

Whatever it may be, it cant be more dangerous than Dut or Spiro which plenty of guys are already taking. Its probably as safe as it could be, but nope, here come 20 years of clinical trials.

If the treatment Cotsarelis was talking about is the lithium trial, a bunch of people already tried it years ago, with no results

So, those people did the wounding wrong or Follica is exaggerating their findings

[joachim]

i can't read the "world owes us nothing" BS anymore.
it's not about genes, and unfair situations in everyones life.

it's about technology and biologic evolution. technology has made our lives better. cars, phones, modern medicine. or would anyone would like to live in 1880?

there's simply no reason why hairloss research is so fu***** slow, incompetent and corrupt. we're not talking about a killing virus which mutates every few years into another virus or so, thus difficult to figure out how to fight it.
we're talking about hair follicles which should have be known in every detail by now, after all these decades of pseudo-research. aderans was a joke. a few others which had promising results sold their souls for big cash to BIG hairloss companys, so that they can shelve the product and still lead the market with minox, fin, wigs, and other unsatisfying stuff.

it's a shame, and the world needs a change. the technology is here already! maybe still need a bit of improvement, but it's no magic at all.

lab-grown livers, kidneys, even vaginas. the first fully functional lab-grown heart is predicted for 2025, and that's not unrealistic at all. i even think they it will happen in 2020. fda approval is another story of course...

[nameless]

further, i'm wondering how desmond has still kept his positive thinking although he personally thinks a cure is still 7 to 10 years away. a big respect for that.
but i really can't imagine that we are still here in the forum in 10 years. will desmond, hellouser and arashi still be here in 5 years, with all their positive posts and efforts? will desmond still surprise us every year with a new research success story for the next 10 years until the cure is out? if we now all know that everything is really that far away where's the point then in staying here in the forum? this is a horror scenario.
in 10 years we'll have flying cars and still no hairloss cure =)

i really don't understand what's taking so long for them. if all the culturing work is done, i see no reason to wait for trials and all the waiting game. only the safety aspect has to be checked. this can be done in 1 year, or 2 years maximum. from that point, the treatment should be carried out in unrestricted countries. even if efficacy is not the best, nobody would care if he would have to go multiple times through the treatment, and pay thousands and thousands of dollas. this would be the early adopters. and then, the researchers can take as much time as they need to improve efficacy, instruments and the whole process and go through fda 10 times if they like.

Release it now in the countries where doing so is legal and do clinical trials in the countries where you have to. That's the way to go>

[Arashi]

further, i'm wondering how desmond has still kept his positive thinking although he personally thinks a cure is still 7 to 10 years away. a big respect for that.
but i really can't imagine that we are still here in the forum in 10 years. will desmond, hellouser and arashi still be here in 5 years, with all their positive posts and efforts? will desmond still surprise us every year with a new research success story for the next 10 years until the cure is out? if we now all know that everything is really that far away where's the point then in staying here in the forum? this is a horror scenario.
in 10 years we'll have flying cars and still no hairloss cure =)

We always knew that a 'preclinical' cure has to go through clinical trials which may take 6-8 years. But we're not even at the point of a 'preclinical' cure yet. I figured we were very close to that: Tsuji and Jahoda showed us that a combination of DP cells + epethelial cells grows hairs. Now like Desmond noted a few pages back, pretty much all research groups succeeded this year where Jahoda failed last year: keeping all genes expressed while culturing DP cells. So, I figure now, what's keeping us from a cure ? Desmond asked that exact same question to Lauster's group and posted a few pages back that he will explain it once he gets the green light from Lauster's group. Desmond also said that we're VERY close. That's all that matters in my opinion.

Once we have a preclinical cure (a success of cloning hair on a human test candidate), then we can start planning our future: the bridging period. Cause right now I don't dare to take much more grafts from my donor. Once I know that it's pretty certain a treatment in the clinics will be available in 6-8 years, I'm going to deplete my donor and fill up everything. So that's why all this is important in my opinion: an understanding where we are, so we can plan our futures.

[joachim]

by the way, hellouser: the fact that you have put nigam on CC while informing the congress admins is just so hilarious =} =} =}
can you imagine his look in his face while reading your mail? *gg*