Funding Desmond to go to WCHR 2014

[hellouser]

Hi I'm new,I'm not going to go through a sob story about how I'm losing my hair I just wanna know if there's any more progress with Desmond ?the work you guys are doing with this is amazing ,just for the record Hellouser ,youre amazing man and Desmond youre my new role model.sorry I couldn't donate guys I'm only 16 with no paypal account.and to everyone else,great job ,great ****ing job.

No problem! Desmond is away in China I believe with friends. He'll be posting the videos once he's home since he had some trouble getting the videos converted.

The next hair congress is in Miami and I'm more than willing to go. Funding will be minimal, I'm willing to chip in as well along with having a friends place to stay just north of Miami (though it is a 2 hour drive each way).

Would be a good idea to do a follow up with all the researchers. I've already spoken with Dr. Angela Christiano as she will be there. I have little doubt about Dr. Cotsarelis being there as UPENN isn't all that far from Miami when compared to South Korea. By that time I'd like to have some serious movements with crowdfunding; website, marketing strategies, partners, public outreach etc.

[Thinning87]

Very good

[rdawg]

No problem! Desmond is away in China I believe with friends. He'll be posting the videos once he's home since he had some trouble getting the videos converted.

The next hair congress is in Miami and I'm more than willing to go. Funding will be minimal, I'm willing to chip in as well along with having a friends place to stay just north of Miami (though it is a 2 hour drive each way).

Would be a good idea to do a follow up with all the researchers. I've already spoken with Dr. Angela Christiano as she will be there. I have little doubt about Dr. Cotsarelis being there as UPENN isn't all that far from Miami when compared to South Korea. By that time I'd like to have some serious movements with crowdfunding; website, marketing strategies, partners, public outreach etc.

When is the next one?

We should try getting a guy at every conference yearly here, look how much more information we've obtained, rather than hopelessly waiting for a new announcement.

This could be a way for us to truly see the progress in this industry! Possibly even help the process go faster!

[classicsal]

I live in Miami, better believe I'll be all over that.

same here!

[efedrez]

same here!

Live in Miami too, looks like next year BTT will have a huge delegation there!

[hellouser]

For the guys that are interested in crowdfunding, you're going to like this:

http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/23/youtube-crowdfunding/

Youtube will now allow donations for crowdfunding! Just another great tool to use for an absolutely fantastic initiative.

[Molten]

I've been following for this time and, suffice to say, I'm not that impressed unfortunately. Call me a pessimist if you will, but I simply do not see these breakthroughs leading to an actual, affordable cure within any of our lifetimes.

These scientific breakthroughs are great and these scientists should pat themselves on the back, but there is no "smoking gun" cure that is in the pipeline. It sounds like sensationalism to me. That isn't to say there won't be a cure, but it's going to require many, many decades of incremental scientific and technical breakthroughs before an actual cure is on the market and the cost will be absolutely astronomical at at least the price of 3 current HTs. I can only see it as a luxury of the extremely wealthy and not the average balding Joe who already struggles to afford even a single subpar HT.

[sdsurfin]

I've been following for this time and, suffice to say, I'm not that impressed unfortunately. Call me a pessimist if you will, but I simply do not see these breakthroughs leading to an actual, affordable cure within any of our lifetimes.

These scientific breakthroughs are great and these scientists should pat themselves on the back, but there is no "smoking gun" cure that is in the pipeline. It sounds like sensationalism to me. That isn't to say there won't be a cure, but it's going to require many, many decades of incremental scientific and technical breakthroughs before an actual cure is on the market and the cost will be absolutely astronomical at at least the price of 3 current HTs. I can only see it as a luxury of the extremely wealthy and not the average balding Joe who already struggles to afford even a single subpar HT.

I think those guys who are already bald or will be very bald in the next decade are probably screwed for quite a while. and even if new follicles come in 15-20 years, they will be harder to grow in very bald scalp probably. The chances that we get a good preventative treatment in the next 8 years or so are I think quite high. I don't know what your smoking gun is, but anything that works as well as propecia without sides (and the combination of things like replicel and histogen and better chemical blockers look good) will pretty much keep an ok head of hair on my head even if they take 8 more years to come out.

the regeneration progress will be incremental and slow, but i dont think 15-20 years is unrealistic, seeing as they are already inducing mini follicles in skin, and growing new organs of any kind from stem cells is not a hypothetical possibility, it is an imminent reality. The roadblocks are pretty well defined, and if you study the ways that things like replicel have worked and what is needed for a new follicle to grow, then it's an educated guess to say that better stem cell maintenance treatments and eventually lab grown follicles will be a reality in the next decade (scientists like dr. xu have backed this estimate). add time for testing and fine tuning and you're looking at 15-20 to basically put new follicles all over your scalp (or at the least fill in your donor zone, which is "better soil")

and YES it will be expensive. very. most men will still go bald. that's why you gotta go out and get that money.

[Thinning87]

I've been following for this time and, suffice to say, I'm not that impressed unfortunately. Call me a pessimist if you will, but I simply do not see these breakthroughs leading to an actual, affordable cure within any of our lifetimes.

These scientific breakthroughs are great and these scientists should pat themselves on the back, but there is no "smoking gun" cure that is in the pipeline. It sounds like sensationalism to me. That isn't to say there won't be a cure, but it's going to require many, many decades of incremental scientific and technical breakthroughs before an actual cure is on the market and the cost will be absolutely astronomical at at least the price of 3 current HTs. I can only see it as a luxury of the extremely wealthy and not the average balding Joe who already struggles to afford even a single subpar HT.

That's an astronomical cost only if you're poor, in which case you'll have better luck letting your hair grow but keeping some money to pay the bills. You won't get a good looking woman either way.

[Molten]

That's an astronomical cost only if you're poor, in which case you'll have better luck letting your hair grow but keeping some money to pay the bills. You won't get a good looking woman either way.

Because the average middle-class Joe who earns 40K at his average job (which is the national median salary) will have 40-60K to blow on this treatment, right? It sure sounds like you're calling the vast majority of people poor as only 5% of men in the country can reasonably expect to afford this treatment, and I doubt it will ever get much cheaper, at least anytime in the near future after its released.

Lol if you actually think good looking women care that much about money, only gold-diggers do and you need to be a multi-millionaire to register on their radar. The good looking NW0 guy is much more desired to women these days than the average looking NW2 guy making low 6 figures as a professional.

[Thinning87]

Because the average middle-class Joe who earns 40K at his average job (which is the national median salary) will have 40-60K to blow on this treatment, right? It sure sounds like you're calling the vast majority of people poor as only 5% of men in the country can reasonably expect to afford this treatment, and I doubt it will ever get much cheaper, at least anytime in the near future after its released.

Lol if you actually think good looking women care that much about money, only gold-diggers do and you need to be a multi-millionaire to register on their radar. The good looking NW0 guy is much more desired to women these days than the average looking NW2 guy making low 6 figures as a professional.

Yeah ok. I just feel bad for you if you think 40k is a lot. You should work more. I don't care what you think women want. Just start working for your own sake.

[Molten]

Yeah ok. I just feel bad for you if you think 40k is a lot. You should work more. I don't care what you think women want. Just start working for your own sake.

You sound incredibly spoiled and have absolutely no real concept of how the majority of people earn their living. "You should work more". What an absolute joke. Because most employers are going to allow and pay you to work 80 hours a week just to afford this?

Again, that still doesn't change the fact I raised in my post. The vast majority of balding men (95&#37 will not be able to afford this, and for most men, spending their yearly salary or even half of it will be extremely frowned upon and seen as completely socially unacceptable. Statistics don't lie, and statistically speaking, 40K is practically a small fortune for all men other than the extremely wealth. Hence, this "cure" is useless to just about every balding man out there and finasteride/minoxidil will still be the only effective treatment for the foreseeable future.

[Thinning87]

You sound incredibly spoiled and have absolutely no real concept of how the majority of people earn their living. "You should work more". What an absolute joke. Because most employers are going to allow and pay you to work 80 hours a week just to afford this?

Again, that still doesn't change the fact I raised in my post. The vast majority of balding men (95%) will not be able to afford this, and for most men, spending their yearly salary or even half of it will be extremely frowned upon and seen as completely socially unacceptable. Statistics don't lie, and statistically speaking, 40K is practically a small fortune for all men other than the extremely wealth.

Hahaha I'm 26 and I make 65k base. That's without my bonus. It happens to a lot of people who happened to go to a good college and study their asses off rather than drinking. If you cannot afford a 80k treatment for somethig as stupid as hair then it is your fault because the world doesn't owe you financial support to make your hair grow back. For those like me, there will be financing options. For this like you, who will earn 40k as a middle aged man, hair or no hair does not matter because the ladies tend to find hair less important and other aspects of the man, including his ability to financially support a family, will become more important as you age.

[Molten]

Hahaha I'm 26 and I make 65k base. That's without my bonus. It happens to a lot of people who happened to go to a good college and study their asses off rather than drinking.

So, basically you are a clueless person zero financial sense. The average person earning 65K base with average financial sense would laugh at the idea of dropping 40K on something as relatively trivial as hair.

Your assumptions about me are amusing and hilarious as well. I'll be graduating in a STEM field among the top of my class and will be attending a competitive graduate school. I plan to be a research scientist/engineer and have long accepted the fact I'll max out at around 50K as most do in the field I'm going into. I've long accepted the fact I'll lose my hair and I'm alright with that, because most other balding men will as well as they too won't be able to afford this "cure".

You also have demonstrated just how clueless you are about how the real world works. If there a direct proportional relationship between hard work and financial compensation, then average salaries would easily be in the 6 figures. However, most rational people understand basic economics and know that this is simply a naive worldview about the world at best and a delusional fantasy at worst. Most people, regardless of how hard they work, will earn an average salary of 40-60K over the course of their lifetime. This is statistical fact.

If you cannot afford a 80k treatment for somethig as stupid as hair then it is your fault because the world doesn't owe you financial support to make your hair grow back.

You might want to work on your reading comprehension. No one is asking for a handout, just stating the facts that this "cure" will not be available to almost all balding men. The average middle class person who is not a moron has enough financial sense to know that there are many more pressing things to spend 40K on than hair.

For those like me, there will be financing options. For this like you, who will earn 40k as a middle aged man, hair or no hair does not matter because the ladies tend to find hair less important and other aspects of the man, including his ability to financially support a family, will become more important as you age.

Last I checked, statistically speaking, the median household earning (for both the man and woman) is 50K and most people manage to do just fine.

[Molten]

I think those guys who are already bald or will be very bald in the next decade are probably screwed for quite a while. and even if new follicles come in 15-20 years, they will be harder to grow in very bald scalp probably. The chances that we get a good preventative treatment in the next 8 years or so are I think quite high. I don't know what your smoking gun is, but anything that works as well as propecia without sides (and the combination of things like replicel and histogen and better chemical blockers look good) will pretty much keep an ok head of hair on my head even if they take 8 more years to come out.

I agree with you about more effective preventative treatments coming online within the next decade or so. The research going into the CB vehicle looks promising and they just need to iron out a few technical problems before going mainstream with it. This will be an effective "cure" for future generations that really only requires careful attention to one's hair every now and then.

the regeneration progress will be incremental and slow, but i dont think 15-20 years is unrealistic, seeing as they are already inducing mini follicles in skin, and growing new organs of any kind from stem cells is not a hypothetical possibility, it is an imminent reality. The roadblocks are pretty well defined, and if you study the ways that things like replicel have worked and what is needed for a new follicle to grow, then it's an educated guess to say that better stem cell maintenance treatments and eventually lab grown follicles will be a reality in the next decade (scientists like dr. xu have backed this estimate). add time for testing and fine tuning and you're looking at 15-20 to basically put new follicles all over your scalp (or at the least fill in your donor zone, which is "better soil")

This is where I'll have to disagree. This is really a sad case of the devil being in the details. The problem of creating viable hair follicles in the lab is a completely different beast than transplanting them and expecting them to function as well as the native follicles. The former will likely be demonstrated sometime soon (if it hasn't already), but I don't think the latter will happen anytime soon at all and will probably require many extensive breakthroughs over many decades to achieve any sort of results. The problem is simply many more times difficult than it would appear.

and YES it will be expensive. very. most men will still go bald. that's why you gotta go out and get that money.

No disagreement here.