Final Days: Chinese Scientists Have Solved the DP Culturing Problem! (2014)

[35YrsAfter]

Bro, I'm with you to. But you have to look at the big picture, they have come so far in just little time. This opens up many more possibilities. I'm confident we're going to be just fine.

Effective hair loss treatments have progressed at a snail's pace. On the other hand, when I was in my early twenties, plugs were the only treatment available for MPB sufferers. Hair loss research evidently has not been treated as a priority over the years like heart disease, cancer, AIDS, etc.. Interesting that current oral and topical treatments such as Avodart, Propecia, and Rogaine were originally developed to treat other disorders.

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[BoSox]

this forum sucks. all it has done to me is drag out false hope. by the time this treatment is even available, and who the hell knows if it will even come to fruition, it will be 10 years down the line, all of my hair will be gone and god dammit. super angry right now

Bro, I'm with you to. But you have to look at the big picture, they have come so far in just little time. This opens up many more possibilities. I'm confident we're going to be just fine.

[tonypizza]

Not all of it.

You wouldn't be taxed on the same income twice. It would be either at the foreign rate or your own country's rate.

You'd most likely get double taxation relief if taxed twice.

As a Canadian citizen, the only situation I'm aware of where that applies is if I do business in the USA. A Memorandum of Understanding in the Canada-USA Tax Treaty which specifically addresses double taxation was introduced in 2005.

The purpose is to encourage bilateral trade under NAFTA. This does not apply internationally.

[jgold]

this forum sucks. all it has done to me is drag out false hope. by the time this treatment is even available, and who the hell knows if it will even come to fruition, it will be 10 years down the line, all of my hair will be gone and god dammit. super angry right now

[garethbale]

This is all very true.

Not all of it.

You wouldn't be taxed on the same income twice. It would be either at the foreign rate or your own country's rate.

You'd most likely get double taxation relief if taxed twice.

[hellouser]

Keep in mind you'd be subject to taxes of the foreign country plus that of your citizenship. Also keep in mind you'd be earning money in the Indian Rupee, which is about 1:40 the American Dollar, and you'd have to spend part of that to convert it back to the American Dollar.

Also, medical professionals seeking licensure in another country have to sit that country's exams, and once having passed them (no easy task when you're in a foreign country and do not know their testing system or emphasis), you're going to lose your licensure in your home country at the end of the year, as you have to be actively practicing for a certain number of days in that province/state (depends state-to-state) the prior year, in addition to completing CE credits.

Also, no Canadian or American company is going to cover you for malpractice insurance while you practice in another country.

So there's that...

This is all very true.

[garethbale]

Keep in mind you'd be subject to taxes of the foreign country plus that of your citizenship. Also keep in mind you'd be earning money in the Indian Rupee, which is about 1:40 the American Dollar, and you'd have to spend part of that to convert it back to the American Dollar.

Also, medical professionals seeking licensure in another country have to sit that country's exams, and once having passed them (no easy task when you're in a foreign country and do not know their testing system or emphasis), you're going to lose your licensure in your home country at the end of the year, as you have to be actively practicing for a certain number of days in that province/state (depends state-to-state) the prior year, in addition to completing CE credits.

Also, no Canadian or American company is going to cover you for malpractice insurance while you practice in another country.

So there's that...

No, you would probably get some kind of double taxation relief which would be at the lower of the tax on foreign gains and the tax liability in your home country.

This is offered by the UK government and probably operates in other jurisdictions as well. No way would two governments tax you as it would depend on where your gains were remitted to.

[tonypizza]

That's also an insane amount of money GUARANTEED for the next '10-20 years' while the FDA and other health ministries stall and crap all over biotechs ability to progress their trials at an acceptable pace.

We could help fund a clinic and competent doctor do this through crowdfunding itself. It'd be an amazing opportunity for them get a business started FOR FREE and then earn cash after as well!

Keep in mind you'd be subject to taxes of the foreign country plus that of your citizenship. Also keep in mind you'd be earning money in the Indian Rupee, which is about 1:40 the American Dollar, and you'd have to spend part of that to convert it back to the American Dollar.

Also, medical professionals seeking licensure in another country have to sit that country's exams, and once having passed them (no easy task when you're in a foreign country and do not know their testing system or emphasis), you're going to lose your licensure in your home country at the end of the year, as you have to be actively practicing for a certain number of days in that province/state (depends state-to-state) the prior year, in addition to completing CE credits.

Also, no Canadian or American company is going to cover you for malpractice insurance while you practice in another country.

So there's that...

[DesperateOne]

Of course, that was in 2012, when nobody could expand DP cells while getting those cells to from Hair follicles and grow hair ! Jahoda solved that part a year later. And now, another year later, several research groups have been working on improving that method and who knows, those chinese might have cracked it. So yeah, you can say we are damn close.

Arashi, what are your thoughts in the melatonin study, do you see even a slight chance of some merit?

[nameless]

Of course, that was in 2012, when nobody could expand DP cells while getting those cells to from Hair follicles and grow hair ! Jahoda solved that part a year later. And now, another year later, several research groups have been working on improving that method and who knows, those chinese might have cracked it. So yeah, you can say we are damn close.

What do you mean "who knows, those chinese might have cracked it."? According to you they definitely did crack it.

Will you please get your story-line straight? Either they did or they didn't. And if your posit is that they did will you please post the text that confirms that they did?

[Arashi]

Look back at the tsuji threads, they stated that they have a ton of work to do even after knowing how to make engineered follicles.

Of course, that was in 2012, when nobody could expand DP cells while getting those cells to from Hair follicles and grow hair ! Jahoda solved that part a year later. And now, another year later, several research groups have been working on improving that method and who knows, those chinese might have cracked it. So yeah, you can say we are damn close.

[sdsurfin]

How is that exactly ? If those Chinese can really culture DP cells, while retaining gene expression and can get those disassociated cells to form agglomerates, then we can create HF's from a bunch of cells and that IS a pre-clinical cure.

And again, once the science is out on how to do this, I'll bet the farm that there will be doctors offering this in less regulated countries WAY before official trials in the Western world ended. It's a great and easy opportunity to make a sh*t load of cash for them.

Again, dig your optimism, but that statement has a lot of assumptions tied to it. No one has shown that this chinese team can retain FULL gene expression, all the paper says is that improved levels of certain genes have been shown using their method. Also, "creating HFs from a bunch of cells" is more complicated than just getting DP cells to show full expression and inductivity. Even IF they show full expression, that doesnt necessarily mean that they can be used to make a completely functional follicle. Look back at the tsuji threads, they stated that they have a ton of work to do even after knowing how to make engineered follicles. No one knows or has studied how these new follicles will thrive in bald scalp, how to get them to grow in the right ways, etc. We have a theoretical possible way to cure baldness, that is all, and some good advances into the way that follicle cells work. which is why people with money ,like yourself, should be getting other people with money to help fund the efforts of the big teams.

[nameless]

exactly, and we still don't even have a pre-clinical cure. the fact that they can *maybe* restore more inductivity than jahoda did last year is great.

Where is the proof that any of the presenters have stated that they improved on the degree of inductivity Jahoda announced last year?

[hellouser]

How is that exactly ? If those Chinese can really culture DP cells, while retaining gene expression and can get those disassociated cells to form agglomerates, then we can create HF's from a bunch of cells and that IS a pre-clinical cure.

And again, once the science is out on how to do this, I'll bet the farm that there will be doctors offering this in less regulated countries WAY before official trials in the Western world ended. It's a great and easy opportunity to make a sh*t load of cash for them.

That's also an insane amount of money GUARANTEED for the next '10-20 years' while the FDA and other health ministries stall and crap all over biotechs ability to progress their trials at an acceptable pace.

We could help fund a clinic and competent doctor do this through crowdfunding itself. It'd be an amazing opportunity for them get a business started FOR FREE and then earn cash after as well!

[Arashi]

exactly, and we still don't even have a pre-clinical cure. the fact that they can *maybe* restore more inductivity than jahoda did last year is great, but doesn't come close to a pre-clinical cure.

How is that exactly ? If those Chinese can really culture DP cells, while retaining gene expression and can get those disassociated cells to form agglomerates, then we can create HF's from a bunch of cells and that IS a pre-clinical cure.

And again, once the science is out on how to do this, I'll bet the farm that there will be doctors offering this in less regulated countries WAY before official trials in the Western world ended. It's a great and easy opportunity to make a sh*t load of cash for them.