piloxll:new israeli method combines wounding+ zi/cu ions to destroy dht in the scalp

[bigentries]

The Russian site and PiloxII are separate entities AFAIK.

No one is saying they are the same thing hellouser

However, there is a connection, and what Yoram was describing in the private forum sounds very similar to the Russian treatment

If you don't have any trouble with the connection, fine. But a lot of us are worried that a guy that is promoting snake oil is also claiming to have a legit treatment

You really need to detach emotionally from Piloxx, it is obvious you don't like any skepticism from things you decided are truth, remember the dermarolling and semen debacle.

[greatjob!]

You can wound with lasers.... non-dermarolling wounding is possible.... and has been confirmed by people other than Yoram and Pilox team.

I understand that, what I was referring to was the fact that the guy who introduced this here and said he is in the clinical trials said it was painless and consisted of just using the device for 15 minutes a day and there were no visible effects to the skin. That is not possible with any other known wounding technique as far as I know, for example lasers are painful and leave evidence that they were used, you can't wound without wounding.

[hellouser]

Yup. Big scam vibes from this one. People should be very careful before jumping in and potentially wasting a lot of money.

The Russian site and PiloxII are separate entities AFAIK.

[bigentries]

What is so clear about Pilox being the device from the russian website?

I would venture to say the is extremely clear that they are not the same device....


The issue, to me, is Yoram's involvement in another treatment. If pilox is so good, why bother with anything else?

It's the same question I had for nigam, if his multiplication worked, why offer all the other stuff? We found the answer to that now....

STILL, I am very hopeful for Pilox and urge people not to scare Yoram away.... that wont do us any good AT ALL

We wouldn't it do us any good at all?

If he gets scared, so what? if the thing is true, in 8 months you will see the thing plastered everywhere since Jude Law would get his career back

If nothing comes out, or no one is getting results when it comes out, it would mean the things was a scam all along.

People shouldn't worry about skepticism unless they have something to hide. Science grows out of skepticism, no matter what position you are taking

It's like no one was here in 2013, PGD2, indomethacin, Nigam, dermarolling and minox. It's amazing some of you still have the "open mind" approach after being fooled time after time

[Kalio]

That website ist not promoting a cure, but a treatment to add more thickness to the hair, only that.

I am also not really sure why people are suddenly convinced its a scam because of the Russian website. As far as I can see, they're only claiming the thickening of thinning hair and are not proclaiming they can cure baldness.

No outlandish claims on the rest of the site either.

[JJJJrS]

I'm getting more and more convinced it's a scam. Yoram got tons of questions regarding that Russian site, he totally ignored them ! When asked about the current treatments he said he didnt want to go into that because he thought it might come off as 'promotion'. He's involved with a clinic that sells snake oil and then that whole story about that booklet with photo's at the hairdresser ...

It's all just TOO weird, so many things not adding up ... Still can't say anything for certain, but it's all getting weirder and weirder ...

Yup. Big scam vibes from this one. People should be very careful before jumping in and potentially wasting a lot of money.

[bigentries]

That website ist not promoting a cure, but a treatment to add more thickness to the hair, only that.

Source please

[porta]

That website ist not promoting a cure, but a treatment to add more thickness to the hair, only that.

[bigentries]

Oh intelligent one, please do forgive us mere Neanderthals for being completely unreasonable in adding two and two together in this situation (that's about all we can manage anyway). How dare we even attempt to connect the dots?! It is of absolutely NO significance that the same guy who is supposedly behind Piloxll is also pioneering another similar treatment via an overly dodgy site in Russian that has charlatan and scam and snake oil written all over it. I mean who cares about his other ventures, right? Who gives a damn if he's involved in taking advantage of the very people who come to forums like this looking for a cure? Piloxll is completely unrelated so we'll just brush this whole little embarrassing Russian episode under the carpet... and we'll try not to be so dumb in the future.

People on hair loss forums use very weird logic.
Yeah, this guy is involved in a snake oil treatment, but who cares he is taking advantage of a sub-set of bald guys?, he is promising us a real, yet very similar treatment, this time!

I didn't liked one bit how he avoided the russian site question in the private forums. I even think vraf and other Israeli posters are either the same person or working together to push this thing

[NeedHairASAP]

It's interesting how this is the 1st post you have made on the forum. You have registered a BTT account to tell everyone they are dumb for not believing this product when it clearly is the same one. Do you possibly work for Yoram.

What is so clear about Pilox being the device from the russian website?

I would venture to say the is extremely clear that they are not the same device....


The issue, to me, is Yoram's involvement in another treatment. If pilox is so good, why bother with anything else?

It's the same question I had for nigam, if his multiplication worked, why offer all the other stuff? We found the answer to that now....

STILL, I am very hopeful for Pilox and urge people not to scare Yoram away.... that wont do us any good AT ALL

[NeedHairASAP]

To me this looks like another example of people using keywords to drum up interest and sell a product. When Histogen and others started experimenting with growth factors, you saw all of these products coming out trying to capitalize on that by selling products containing "growth factors". Since Cots research and Follica's work I'm sure we are going to start to see things popping up using the keyword "wounding", which I think is what this product/treatment is. I mean from what I can gather from the info so far there isn't any actual wounding going on, so how do you wound without wounding? I guess it's some new magical wounding technique...

You can wound with lasers.... non-dermarolling wounding is possible.... and has been confirmed by people other than Yoram and Pilox team.


Pilox and the other treatment are not the same product.

The descriptions of Pilox do not match the video shown on the russian website AT ALL.

On top of that, Yoram has distinguished pilox from the other treatment

Therefore, the russian treatment is not pilox.

That doesn't mean that Yoram's involvement in this other treatment isn't worrying, but the russian site and it's treatment ARE DEFINITELY NOT PILOX.

Rather than speculate, I think we need to try and learn more and more.

AGAIN, that being said, its worrying that Yoram is involved with the russian site. BUT, as always, lets wait to see what happens.... the pictures are very good, and the idea behind it has legs. If it's not out in 8 months and yoram still hasn't published or offered anymore conclusive evidence, then we can worry....

we've been waiting since the begining of time for a cure, and only up to a couple months ago, had no end in sight--- so I think we can wait 8 months.

[Julian P]

Oh intelligent one, please do forgive us mere Neanderthals for being completely unreasonable in adding two and two together in this situation (that's about all we can manage anyway). How dare we even attempt to connect the dots?! It is of absolutely NO significance that the same guy who is supposedly behind Piloxll is also pioneering another similar treatment via an overly dodgy site in Russian that has charlatan and scam and snake oil written all over it. I mean who cares about his other ventures, right? Who gives a damn if he's involved in taking advantage of the very people who come to forums like this looking for a cure? Piloxll is completely unrelated so we'll just brush this whole little embarrassing Russian episode under the carpet... and we'll try not to be so dumb in the future.

Haha, well said. I was slightly positive about this in the beginning, but after seeing that website that's completely gone.

Still wondering what they used to get the results in the pictures though, if fin would get me these results, I might as well go over to the "dark side".

[DanWS]

No, they are dumb to relate this "russian treatment" with pilox.

Read the patent and you'll find that pilox has absolutely nothing with a dermapen device.

Oh intelligent one, please do forgive us mere Neanderthals for being completely unreasonable in adding two and two together in this situation (that's about all we can manage anyway). How dare we even attempt to connect the dots?! It is of absolutely NO significance that the same guy who is supposedly behind Piloxll is also pioneering another similar treatment via an overly dodgy site in Russian that has charlatan and scam and snake oil written all over it. I mean who cares about his other ventures, right? Who gives a damn if he's involved in taking advantage of the very people who come to forums like this looking for a cure? Piloxll is completely unrelated so we'll just brush this whole little embarrassing Russian episode under the carpet... and we'll try not to be so dumb in the future.

[porta]

It's interesting how this is the 1st post you have made on the forum. You have registered a BTT account to tell everyone they are dumb for not believing this product when it clearly is the same one. Do you possibly work for Yoram.

No, they are dumb to relate this "russian treatment" with pilox.

Read the patent and you'll find that pilox has absolutely nothing with a dermapen device.

[GuyFromUK]

a lot of dumd guys here, the treatment in this russian website ITS NOT PILOX.

It's interesting how this is the 1st post you have made on the forum. You have registered a BTT account to tell everyone they are dumb for not believing this product when it clearly is the same one. Do you possibly work for Yoram.