piloxll:new israeli method combines wounding+ zi/cu ions to destroy dht in the scalp

[Arashi]

Eh? What private forums?

If i'd link they'd ban me here. And if i talk about the case they'd ban me there. They already took my posting rights. So, sorry, stuck between a rock and a hard place here ...

[Atum]

Why on earth is there even an private forum?
We are all in the same shelf here, if there is something new in this case than i would like to know it and i think anyone who comes in this thread or on this forum as well.

[bananana]

What is going on? Why the sudden negativity?

[Dan26]

Why on earth is there even an private forum?
We are all in the same shelf here, if there is something new in this case than i would like to know it and i think anyone who comes in this thread or on this forum as well.

The piloxx ppl and some involved felt better sharing certain info there (pvt forum) rather than here, and I dont blame them

however since then they've fell victim to butthurtitis and now we know as much as you guys

[Arashi]

What is going on? Why the sudden negativity?

Well, they functionally already banned me there anyway (they took my posting rights away cause vraf didnt like me being around too much which was reason enough for the mod to take my posting rights), so: vraf posted some pictures: zoomed out, showing his full head and macro photo's zoomed in. When comparing the zoomed in to the zoomed out photo's, they possibly couldn't be from the same area (as vraf claimed). So, he posted fake pictures (or what I believe, from a different patient). The only reason he'd do that of course is that he was working with Yoram all the time. And that makes a LOT of sense. You remember vraf was the guy who went to the hairdresser, then supposedly magically came into contact with a pilox representative, who showed him a book full of result photo's (for a product that was still in prototype stage). That whole story never made ANY sense to me. Why would a pilox rep go to a hairdresser with a book of result photo's for a prototype stage product and show it to arbitrary clients in the shop ? And why was there a book in the first place ?

Anyway, so now it turns out vraf posted fake pictures (there's just no other explanation that would make any sense, the pictures really speak for themselves). So at this point I think it makes sense to write this whole thing off as scam. There's just no other way to look at it anymore.

[locke999]

Arashi, you are one of the most logically sound poster on this forum and if you have came to that conclusion then I will also write this off.

[bananana]

Well, they functionally already banned me there anyway (they took my posting rights away cause vraf didnt like me being around too much which was reason enough for the mod to take my posting rights), so: vraf posted some pictures: zoomed out, showing his full head and macro photo's zoomed in. When comparing the zoomed in to the zoomed out photo's, they possibly couldn't be from the same area (as vraf claimed). So, he posted fake pictures (or what I believe, from a different patient). The only reason he'd do that of course is that he was working with Yoram all the time. And that makes a LOT of sense. You remember vraf was the guy who went to the hairdresser, then supposedly magically came into contact with a pilox representative, who showed him a book full of result photo's (for a product that was still in prototype stage). That whole story never made ANY sense to me. Why would a pilox rep go to a hairdresser with a book of result photo's for a prototype stage product and show it to arbitrary clients in the shop ? And why was there a book in the first place ?

Anyway, so now it turns out vraf posted fake pictures (there's just no other explanation that would make any sense, the pictures really speak for themselves). So at this point I think it makes sense to write this whole thing off as scam. There's just no other way to look at it anymore.

Oh, can you take screenshots of those pics? Or any other concrete info?
I'm trying to be optimistic here, I need to see proof before making judgement.

[cocacola]

At least this one people figured out pretty fast lol! Not like with nigam, he had almost messiah status here.

[TwoInchCircle]

At least this one people figured out pretty fast lol! Not like with nigam, he had almost messiah status here.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss something so soon just because a forum member said they 'saw' something and interpreted it as fake. After all, there was much optimistic thinking based on a forum member 'seeing' something earlier regarding pilox. (And that was dismissed as naive, desperate thinking!)

Until I see these 'faked' images, this is still a viable possibility for me. The science seems sound and the pictures I've seen look good. That's enough to make me wonder if this could be something special.

Even if these images never surface, we will know if this is real or not within a year anyway. We'll know when we know.

[greatjob!]

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss something so soon just because a forum member said they 'saw' something and interpreted it as fake. After all, there was much optimistic thinking based on a forum member 'seeing' something earlier regarding pilox. (And that was dismissed as naive, desperate thinking!)

Until I see these 'faked' images, this is still a viable possibility for me. The science seems sound and the pictures I've seen look good. That's enough to make me wonder if this could be something special.

Even if these images never surface, we will know if this is real or not within a year anyway. We'll know when we know.

Oh the science seems sound does it? Can you explain what is so sound about it?

[bananana]

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss something so soon just because a forum member said they 'saw' something and interpreted it as fake. After all, there was much optimistic thinking based on a forum member 'seeing' something earlier regarding pilox. (And that was dismissed as naive, desperate thinking!)

Until I see these 'faked' images, this is still a viable possibility for me. The science seems sound and the pictures I've seen look good. That's enough to make me wonder if this could be something special.

Even if these images never surface, we will know if this is real or not within a year anyway. We'll know when we know.

agreed.

[Thinning@30]

Ugh. Say it ain't so. I really wanted this stuff to be real. Everything else in the pipeline is years away from being commercialized. Arashi, I liked what you did with Nigam. I thought there might be something to the PiloxII stuff since they were talking about publishing and they seemed to be going about things in a methodical manner. When Yoram and then Vraf left the other forum it looked really odd, I mean, assuming you're legit, what is the point of engaging the hair loss community if not to face tough questions and cross examination. We shouldn't tolerate rudeness, but of course people are going to be skeptical and once you post images, people are going to analyze them and come up with all kinds of stuff. I think it just goes to show, we have to be especially wary of any new treatment that isn't going through formal clinical trials.

[NeedHairASAP]

Oh the science seems sound does it? Can you explain what is so sound about it?

I explained in the thread earlier.....give it a read

[NeedHairASAP]

the pictures are strange... but I don't see the upside of writing this off so quickly.


The other thing is, we've seen a bunch of really convincing pictures... if they were faking, why would they now leak these obviously strange pictures? It would be a complete 180 from what is in their interest if a scam artist..... am I wrong?

[vraf]

Arashi tells you lies

Well, they functionally already banned me there anyway (they took my posting rights away cause vraf didnt like me being around too much which was reason enough for the mod to take my posting rights), so: vraf posted some pictures: zoomed out, showing his full head and macro photo's zoomed in. When comparing the zoomed in to the zoomed out photo's, they possibly couldn't be from the same area (as vraf claimed). So, he posted fake pictures (or what I believe, from a different patient). The only reason he'd do that of course is that he was working with Yoram all the time. And that makes a LOT of sense. You remember vraf was the guy who went to the hairdresser, then supposedly magically came into contact with a pilox representative, who showed him a book full of result photo's (for a product that was still in prototype stage). That whole story never made ANY sense to me. Why would a pilox rep go to a hairdresser with a book of result photo's for a prototype stage product and show it to arbitrary clients in the shop ? And why was there a book in the first place ?

Anyway, so now it turns out vraf posted fake pictures (there's just no other explanation that would make any sense, the pictures really speak for themselves). So at this point I think it makes sense to write this whole thing off as scam. There's just no other way to look at it anymore.

This Arashi guy is so eager for that some day will come and he’ll be “honored” with “reviling Pilox scam” that nothing will stop him, even telling you lies.
I don’t mind if he thinks it’s a scam, I do mind that he’s doing the best he can (and can’t) to depress you, contrary to what I’m trying to do with sharing my info.
His act of depressing you all down with lies should ban him here also.
I do want to make an expectation and give you here, for those who are not familiar with the other forum, the possibility to see, as Arashi words: “the pictures (which) really speak for themselves”.