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  • Desmond84
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    Originally posted by Dan26
    I think BMP signalling is key Desmond...a piece of the puzzle, amongst other things

    A biweekly scientific journal publishing high-quality research in molecular biology and genetics, cancer biology, biochemistry, and related fields


    Hair follicle (HF) formation is initiated when epithelial stem cells receive cues from specialized mesenchymal dermal papilla (DP) cells. In culture, DP cells lose their HF-inducing properties, but during hair growth in vivo, they reside within the HF bulb and instruct surrounding epithelial progenitors to orchestrate the complex hair differentiation program. To gain insights into the molecular program that maintains DP cell fate, we previously purified DP cells and four neighboring populations and defined their cell-type-specific molecular signatures. Here, we exploit this information to show that the bulb microenvironment is rich in bone morphogenetic proteins (BMPs) that act on DP cells to maintain key signature features in vitro and hair-inducing activity in vivo. By employing a novel in vitro/in vivo hybrid knockout assay, we ablate BMP receptor 1a in purified DP cells. When DPs cannot receive BMP signals, they lose signature characteristics in vitro and fail to generate HFs when engrafted with epithelial stem cells in vivo. These results reveal that BMP signaling, in addition to its key role in epithelial stem cell maintenance and progenitor cell differentiation, is essential for DP cell function, and suggest that it is a critical feature of the complex epithelial–mesenchymal cross-talk necessary to make hair.
    Yeah Dan, I've read this paper actually

    I don't know if you remember the post I made about the "first dermal signal". I have this gut feeling that the key to DP cell expansion lies within these signals! During embryogenesis the "first dermal signal" tells mesenchymal:epithelial cells that are in contact with each other to form DP cells! That's it! Unfortunately though, we only know less than a handful of these signals and most of them are unkown! The ones we know of are:

    - BMP (activation)
    - Wnt (inhibition & activation)
    - FGF (inhibition)
    - Vitamin D (promoter)

    Dr Ohyama tested these signals and they significantly increased gene expression of cultured DP cells. This was only a year ago!

    This is my 5 year plan:

    First 2 years: Combine Ohyama's signals with Jahoda's 3D spheroid technique to master DP culturing expansion!

    Next 3 years: Follow Tsuji's "Hair germ method" technology to generate human hair follicles by using these cultured DP cells and epithelial stem cells.

    I'm seeing another Professor in Sydney on Wednesday to see if he's prepared to take me on! - Fingers crossed!

    On a side note: guys imagine if we could have enough money to give researchers grants to conduct these studies. How awesome would that be?

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  • idontwant2bebalding
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    The field of skin biology is beautifully dynamic and growing rapidly. This expanding wave of new knowledge is transforming the clinical practice of dermatology on a constant basis. Key to translating the new knowledge being acquired about skin disease is the conduit of skills and knowledge that can reliably move such discoveries through the maze of activities needed to bring change to clinical practice. There are many links in this chain. We must maintain a diverse physician–scientist workforce that can conduct basic and clinical research and serve as teaching faculty in departments of dermatology. Researchers with broad expertise in basic, translational, and clinical research are also needed for the field to thrive. To achieve success in moving knowledge from the bench to the bedside, individuals are needed both in departments of dermatology and other university departments and in private enterprise conducting skin-related research and product development.

    Someone should reach out to this group and suggest that we can help.

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  • Dan26
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    ahh i just read the previous posts...

    wnt, bmp, fgf

    looking at the dates of some of these studies is sad...your right desmond in that the respective teams of researchers need to be well aware of each others work! Things move to damn slow

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  • Dan26
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    I think BMP signalling is key Desmond...a piece of the puzzle, amongst other things

    A biweekly scientific journal publishing high-quality research in molecular biology and genetics, cancer biology, biochemistry, and related fields


    Hair follicle (HF) formation is initiated when epithelial stem cells receive cues from specialized mesenchymal dermal papilla (DP) cells. In culture, DP cells lose their HF-inducing properties, but during hair growth in vivo, they reside within the HF bulb and instruct surrounding epithelial progenitors to orchestrate the complex hair differentiation program. To gain insights into the molecular program that maintains DP cell fate, we previously purified DP cells and four neighboring populations and defined their cell-type-specific molecular signatures. Here, we exploit this information to show that the bulb microenvironment is rich in bone morphogenetic proteins (BMPs) that act on DP cells to maintain key signature features in vitro and hair-inducing activity in vivo. By employing a novel in vitro/in vivo hybrid knockout assay, we ablate BMP receptor 1a in purified DP cells. When DPs cannot receive BMP signals, they lose signature characteristics in vitro and fail to generate HFs when engrafted with epithelial stem cells in vivo. These results reveal that BMP signaling, in addition to its key role in epithelial stem cell maintenance and progenitor cell differentiation, is essential for DP cell function, and suggest that it is a critical feature of the complex epithelial–mesenchymal cross-talk necessary to make hair.

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  • Desmond84
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    Originally posted by Sogeking
    Desmond, actually if I ever go to Australia man I most certainly would like to buy you a drink. Not only do I think you are a great guy, I actually think we both have great interest and awe towards science and scientific breakthroughs in general. So we would definitely have something to talk about.

    Also, meeting some hot Australian chicks would be a boon as well .
    Brother, if you ever come down under let me know We're gonna party it up like its 1999 lol

    I think we can have some serious discussions on Tsuji lab for sure and to add to it...the girls in Sydney are smoking

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  • Sogeking
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    Originally posted by Desmond84
    Lol, there's more than a handful of members here I personally would trust and Gareth brother you're on that list

    Don't worry guys, I can so see our whole group of BTT members getting together in a few years from now singing "champagne showers" while drinking pina colada knowing the hairs will sprout in less than 3 months and the NW1s we are getting are permanent! It's only a matter of time...hang in there
    Desmond, actually if I ever go to Australia man I most certainly would like to buy you a drink. Not only do I think you are a great guy, I actually think we both have great interest and awe towards science and scientific breakthroughs in general. So we would definitely have something to talk about.

    Also, meeting some hot Australian chicks would be a boon as well .

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  • happybalding
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    Hey Desmond84, i really appriciate your optimisim

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  • Desmond84
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    Originally posted by garethbale
    Lol, there's more than a handful of members here I personally would trust and Gareth brother you're on that list

    Don't worry guys, I can so see our whole group of BTT members getting together in a few years from now singing "champagne showers" while drinking pina colada knowing the hairs will sprout in less than 3 months and the NW1s we are getting are permanent! It's only a matter of time...hang in there

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  • garethbale
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    Originally posted by hellouser
    I got money to throw down on such an endeavor. I trust Desmond more than any other member here (no offense guys!)

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  • Desmond84
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    Originally posted by HairBane
    Desmond, did you know Dr. Nigam said he's willing to sponsor you to go to India and scrutinize him? From HS:

    "I can also sponsor(with return air ticket and hotel) roger,freddie or desmond or spencer,or anybody hair loss community decides, who may be considered neutral scientifically knowledgible to thoroughly scrutinized me, my team, my clinic, my lab and my association once and for all..."
    Wow did he! Thx Dr Nigam...But to be honest, I don't think I have sufficient biotechnology background to make such an assesment on a simple visit to India. Looking at protocols is one thing, being able to guarantee folliclular neogenesis will require proper documentation, which can be shared online anyway. That's why I personally think Dr Mwaba's approach will be far more telling than anything I can achieve!

    Originally posted by hellouser
    I got money to throw down on such an endeavor. I trust Desmond more than any other member here (no offense guys!)

    Thanks brother for the support...you know I'll also be there every step of the way if the crowd-funding idea ever takes off

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  • bibz
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    Wait wait wait Hellouser.. What do you mean with "drop in libido"? Cuz you may confuse some of us. Do you mean that you don't think as much in sex or girls?

    Sincerely the only way to see if everything is fine is to have sex with a girl, if it's ok then there is no problem.

    Dont think in sex all day long is not a drop in libido.. LAL

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  • HairBane
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    Originally posted by cichlidfort
    What about CB? Isn't the new CB suppose to be Fin without sides?
    Yeah it did better in trials than RU and Fin due to other properties like anti-inflammatory, no sides etc. But people have had trouble finding an effective vehicle, and RU has had more real world results from forum users than CB seems to have.

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  • Dan26
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    Originally posted by cichlidfort
    What about CB? Isn't the new CB suppose to be Fin without sides?
    I am trialing this soon with what should be a solid vehicle... I will report resulst in a few months

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  • cichlidfort
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    Originally posted by hellouser
    Drop in libido, though I've noticed its down again :/
    What about CB? Isn't the new CB suppose to be Fin without sides?

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  • locke999
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    Originally posted by hellouser
    Only side effect I've had from RU is reduced libido. Thats it.

    Results came in nicely earlier this year a couple months after I started RU at 100mg/1ml. I'm on it now again but at 50mg/1ml every other day (on off days I use CB).
    LOL.

    Hellouser, for someone who complains about finasteride side effects so much, what good is RU if it has the worst side effect of finasteride.

    Might as well hop on finasteride.

    I took finasteride for 2 weeks and it lowered my libido too so I quit. I already ordered some RU from anagen and I am excited to hear you are also dealing with side effects on RU.

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