Follica

[hellouser]

I admire the spirit behind your DIY approach, Hell, even if I don't share your optimism. I'm just frustrated that we still don't have any idea of when Follica's treatment might come to market or any real idea of what this treatment could do for us. I wish Follica could be more open the way Histogen and some others are. I hate getting vague updates with no real information.

But its a Huffington Post article, not from Follica directly. Don't worry about anyway, even if they did state a timeline, its at very minimum 2 years away (phase II and III need to be finished). In that time, WE need to replicate their theory and do it ourselves. Lets get it done man! Nothing is stopping us except for a little bit of time and money

[Thinning@30]

Originally Posted by Thinning@30 View Post
I feel like this is a meaningless update. I'm glad that Follica is still around and working on a hair loss treatment, but giving us no information about a timeline or what could be expected from a treatment is really irritating. What does "soon" even mean anyway? A few months, a few years, sometime before the end of the current geologic era?

Seriously?

Meaningless? Rather than the timeline, they pretty much spilled the beans with their method which provides INCREDIBLE insight to it with far more value than a timeline. I can't understand why you would think its 'meaningless' Even if they provided a timeline, how would we or even they know how set that timeline would be given the fact that the FDA is so full of shit and would stall further progress anyway? Follica is in it to make money, the FDA is working against them. I wouldnt count on them giving a timeline because the FDA would somehow screw it up.

I admire the spirit behind your DIY approach, Hell, even if I don't share your optimism. I'm just frustrated that we still don't have any idea of when Follica's treatment might come to market or any real idea of what this treatment could do for us. I wish Follica could be more open the way Histogen and some others are. I hate getting vague updates with no real information.

[Thinning87]

ME TOO!!! And im not even taking, propecia, minox or anything else.

I feel so bad that I didnt start taking pictures when I started using my 1.5mm derm-stamp, its been six weeks and Im seeing my velus hair getting thicker and my hairline is starting to fill in and come back again. Im so lucky I caught the miniaturizing hairs in time.

Please take some pictures. You're a mod so you're probably a reliable source of information.

[Hal0]

http://www.drugs.com/international/lithioderm.html

8% Lithium Gluconate gel is needed to repeat whats in the patent. I think it is commonly available in france?

Hi,

I live in France so i can try it,

Also I use the dermaroller since 3 weeks, so i can tell you if i see some improvement.

[clandestine]

Just found this from 2008

http://www.regrowth.com/hair-loss-fo...edling-method/

Guy called hatchet claiming terminal with dermabrasion and lithium.

I did get some results with needling and lithium, but I have been experimenting with sandpaper and lithium and getting better results. By results, I mean obvious new terminal hairs where there were none before, within a confined spot (exactly within the precise area) and within a short timeframe. Extrapolated to the entire scalp, I believe the results could be pretty significant. Going full scale with the program requires some preparation and timing though (like if you have to go out in public, for example, after the dermabrasion). Of course, you could just listen to people like Going Cue Ball who never tried it…. - See more at: http://www.regrowth.com/hair-loss-fo....8Y057HdF.dpuf

[walrus]

In other news Biopsy punches are quite cheap..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-5mm-8mm-Piercing-STERILE-Biopsy-punch-DERMAL-IMPLANT-TOOL-UK-CHOOSE-SIZE-/350655767084?pt=UK_Health_Beauty_Tattoos_BodyArt_SM&var=620077239908&hash=item51a4b6622c

Anyone know what lithium gluconate or lithium chloride is and its safety?

"Lithium salts affect the central nervous system; see lithium pharmacology for more details. For a short time in the 1940s lithium chloride was manufactured as a salt substitute, but this was prohibited after the toxic effects of the compound were recognized"

[brunobald]

Just found this from 2008

http://www.regrowth.com/hair-loss-forums/topic/any-success-stories-from-people-using-the-needling-method/

[DesperateOne]

Even if, we can always repeat the treatments. Its about hair follicle NEOGENESIS. Just keep doing it on your scalp until your happy with the results.

You're*

One of the first grammar errors I have seen from you, hellouser. That brain fog is getting to you, haha.

[hellouser]

It seems that it is from France, Bruno, I have assigned you to find this out and where can we get it from. Focus on this and this alone for this week.

It seems people here don't even want this procedure to work. Despite the results and the science behind it, some just refuse to accept it, I guess they're scared of success, which I know some people are.

Not me! I've been hammering away that we can and should replicate Follica's procedure as best as possible. With that patent being released and the method being so NICELY written out for us, holy shit, we're so damn close.

[hellouser]

Read the first patent again, this other guy is near bald. I would forget about it you can't draw any conclusions from this anyway.

Even if, we can always repeat the treatments. Its about hair follicle NEOGENESIS. Just keep doing it on your scalp until your happy with the results.

[DesperateOne]

http://www.drugs.com/international/lithioderm.html

8% Lithium Gluconate gel is needed to repeat whats in the patent. I think it is commonly available in france?

It seems that it is from France, Bruno, I have assigned you to find this out and where can we get it from. Focus on this and this alone for this week.

It seems people here don't even want this procedure to work. Despite the results and the science behind it, some just refuse to accept it, I guess they're scared of success, which I know some people are.

[brunobald]

Example 1
Method of Treatment of Skin

A method according to the present invention for effecting treatment of the skin on a human scalp is performed as follows. A subject with near complete hair loss and mild dyspigmentation on the scalp is seated in a stationary examination chair.

Read the first patent again, this other guy is near bald. I would forget about it you can't draw any conclusions from this anyway.

[brunobald]

http://www.drugs.com/international/lithioderm.html

8% Lithium Gluconate gel is needed to repeat whats in the patent. I think it is commonly available in france?

[hellouser]

There definitely seems to be a strong focus on the degree of hair loss, and it very clearly states that this treatment is for people with a low degree of hair loss:

"A male subject with early stage pattern hair loss..."

"The clinician asseses the scalp of the subject, and upon determination that the subject has a relatively minor degree of hair loss..."

You can't just dismiss this very blatant fact. Ultimately it may turn out that degree of hair loss does or does not matter, but based on what's in this patent, it would seem that at this point they think that it does matter. Patents on medical processes are extremely carefully worded. You can look at it and say that the fact they deliberately put this language in doesn't mean anything, but the facts are clearly stated and you can't dismiss them entirely without any equally compelling contrary evidence.

I don't like this news either, but you can't just dismiss a fact because it's inconvenient or you don't like it. Or I guess you can, but then you're just describing a personal fantasy and not reality.

I very much doubt it has anything to do with the degree of hair loss. As seen in the publications and articles in the Dermarolling Community Trial thread, we know hair follicles are created after scalp burns, it grows after tattoo removal on arms as well as injuries on arms and then theres the 'Hairy Hand' case.

I'm of the opinion that the wording in the article is more so done as a safety measure to cover their ass should anything go wrong and not mislead people.

[beetee133]

There definitely seems to be a strong focus on the degree of hair loss, and it very clearly states that this treatment is for people with a low degree of hair loss:

"A male subject with early stage pattern hair loss..."

"The clinician asseses the scalp of the subject, and upon determination that the subject has a relatively minor degree of hair loss..."

You can't just dismiss this very blatant fact. Ultimately it may turn out that degree of hair loss does or does not matter, but based on what's in this patent, it would seem that at this point they think that it does matter. Patents on medical processes are extremely carefully worded. You can look at it and say that the fact they deliberately put this language in doesn't mean anything, but the facts are clearly stated and you can't dismiss them entirely without any equally compelling contrary evidence.

I don't like this news either, but you can't just dismiss a fact because it's inconvenient or you don't like it. Or I guess you can, but then you're just describing a personal fantasy and not reality.