First Pics of 3D spheroidal DP aggregate @ Dr. Nigam's Lab

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  • greatjob!
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 909

    Originally posted by hellouser
    Somewhere between the measly 1,400 grafts you got with zero regeneration and the $15,000 USD you pissed away on it.
    Oh snap! HST burn!

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    • jay woo
      Member
      • Apr 2013
      • 41

      Veca do you have any news on the 3D spheroid DP. The first post gave the impression that the cells would be injected into a patient the next day. Were the cells injected into a patient? did the alkaline phosphate marker report arrive back?

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      • Arashi
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2012
        • 3888

        Originally posted by hellouser
        Somewhere between the measly 1,400 grafts you got with zero regeneration and the $15,000 USD you pissed away on it.
        LOL. Fact of the matter is that Gho is just as sad as Nigams. After more than a decade of running business, they can't show us a NW7 -> NW1 transformation either. Which in my opinion at least proves their technology doesn't work as advertised. Hopefully we'll know more about that soon with GC's case but I'd be highly suprised to see more than 50% regeneration.

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        • UK_
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 2691

          Originally posted by Arashi
          LOL. Fact of the matter is that Gho is just as sad as Nigams. After more than a decade of running business, they can't show us a NW7 -> NW1 transformation either. Which in my opinion at least proves their technology doesn't work as advertised. Hopefully we'll know more about that soon with GC's case but I'd be highly suprised to see more than 50% regeneration.
          A while back Gho said he was working on an injectable for hair loss, I decided to email HASCI about this recently and received a very long reply about the HST procedure but no mention of the question I asked.

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          • Arashi
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2012
            • 3888

            Originally posted by UK_
            A while back Gho said he was working on an injectable for hair loss, I decided to email HASCI about this recently and received a very long reply about the HST procedure but no mention of the question I asked.
            Yeah their communication is quite bad at times. And the whole fact that we now have to analyze a patient case ourselves, keeping track of ALL transplanted grafts, which is a HELL of a job, to find out if it really works ... It's sad. The only reason I have somewhat more faith in Gho as in Nigams is that Gho at least published some peer reviewed papers. Nigams published nothing but promises. But even those papers are really no guarantee and if we look at all the information currently available, it simply looks very unlikely Gho's technology works as advertised.

            Two weeks to go till GC's new case. It's going to be a hell of a job to do the analysis, but hopefully we'll finally get the data we've all been seeking for years ...

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            • One
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2012
              • 132

              I am interested in the case of nigam from NW7 to Nw1. I go to an Italian forum with 9000 users and we are all waiting for something.

              In fact the whole world is waiting for something, then do not understand why Veca expect that there are more possible accessions to start the test.

              As someone said, if the dr nigam has already done the hard part (won baldness) why he can not do the simplest one, that document?

              This can only make it look like a joke. Here we are all rational people, adult, often graduates. It's not that we do make fun of the first that comes and published two photos with photoshop!

              Please stop with this pathetic little theater and show professionalism!

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              • didi
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2011
                • 1360

                Veca, you are acting weird or maybe it is just desperation

                How much dr nigam pays you and don't tell me you are doing all this for free

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                • didi
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 1360

                  Originally posted by Arashi
                  Yeah their communication is quite bad at times. And the whole fact that we now have to analyze a patient case ourselves, keeping track of ALL transplanted grafts, which is a HELL of a job, to find out if it really works ... It's sad. The only reason I have somewhat more faith in Gho as in Nigams is that Gho at least published some peer reviewed papers. Nigams published nothing but promises. But even those papers are really no guarantee and if we look at all the information currently available, it simply looks very unlikely Gho's technology works as advertised.

                  Two weeks to go till GC's new case. It's going to be a hell of a job to do the analysis, but hopefully we'll finally get the data we've all been seeking for years ...


                  It will be a huge job..GCs recipient is not slick bald anymore which means we have to count ALL hairs from previous HSTs, should be around 3 000 FUs

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                  • Arashi
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 3888

                    Originally posted by didi
                    Veca, you are acting weird or maybe it is just desperation

                    How much dr nigam pays you and don't tell me you are doing all this for free
                    LOL forget about Veca. He's just a forum member. He's just a bit naive that's all.

                    You can bet that the moment Nigams has something, he'll be back on this forum, he doesn't need Veca. But will Nigams really try the NW7 -> NW1 experiment ? I doubt it. But we'll see about that. Until he comes up with actual proof he's just an ordinary fraud in my opinion, trying to make some bucks out of the desperation amongst boldies. Would a honest doctor really post photoshopped pictures and pictures in which he'd put some random numbers, just to make it look like he actually knows what he's doing ? We don't know but it surely doesn't look too good.

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                    • Arashi
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 3888

                      Originally posted by didi
                      It will be a huge job..GCs recipient is not slick bald anymore which means we have to count ALL hairs from previous HSTs, should be around 3 000 FUs
                      Yup. Horrible job. But it's all we got. If we wait for HASCI to publish something, we'll all be 80 or dead by then.

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                      • gc83uk
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 1339

                        Originally posted by Arashi
                        Yup. Horrible job. But it's all we got. If we wait for HASCI to publish something, we'll all be 80 or dead by then.
                        I've made new thread with update from Nigam, take a look

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                        • mari0s
                          Member
                          • Jul 2013
                          • 64

                          Originally posted by veca
                          Thanks for the compliment, I'm very sorry that the other guys will not be able to see such a good experiment to prove Dr. Nigam claims. Good luck guys
                          Veca i gave up to write here because so many "nw7 conversion" bullies and because with no moderation this section is become like a jungle where who scream louder wins.
                          But i still hope to see updates on 3D spheroidal experiment and hope dr. Nigams still having as priority since is the only viable treatment to me and others who put great effort in this like Boldy

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                          • bananana
                            Inactive
                            • Feb 2012
                            • 524

                            Veca, are you still following this thread?

                            What does dr Nigam say about all this?
                            I support the experiment, it's a step forward in any case.

                            Vrati se druze

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                            • veca
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 219

                              I am posting the pics of microfollicle created by gerd and lauster in 2011.

                              As mentioned earlier,we had a discussion with gerd and umax in mumbai this january,about these microfollicles created in vitro in the lab.

                              3d spheroids are promising but These microfollicle , looks ,as of know, the best possibility ....for favourable outcome...for hair growth on a bald scalp.

                              But again,will know about it's real potential...after it's formation in the lab ,and the miniclinical case study.

                              I should, probably be able to create these microfollicles by december end, at my lab.
                              It is the next step ,after creation of 3d spheroids...while we await the results of 3d spheroid injections on test cases...

                              These microfllicles can be formed ,just by keeping these spheroids for few more days at the lab and with few additions.

                              I will do a mini case study...and see what is the hair growth potential of these microfollicles created in lab..and than may be go for clinical trail...

                              By next few months, we would have some idea ,how 3d spheroids are responding to improve HM.
                              3d spheroids are time consuming to prepare and becomes expensive too...need to find out ways hoiw to automatize the creation of 3d spheroids, can give your feedback for the same...
                              Microfollicle has the advantage of 3d spheroids plus epidermal stemcell interaction ...and this leads to formation of actual hair follicle in vitro in lab...
                              Tyoshima,the lead researcher of tsuji labs, formed the new hair on human skin implanted on SICD mice last year, by having both epidermal stemcells and cultured dp cells injected together...

                              Pics of forming MICRO HAIR FOLLICLE IN VITRO IN LAB,BY GERD..at german lab..shared with me this january, during their visit to my clinic..
                              I think the time has come to have few official scientific advisors@my lab..gerd would definitely be the first one.



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                              • veca
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 219

                                Bananana, Mari0s ... I decided not to post any comment for now. Maybe it's better to be a bit away from everything because I see that my efforts were useless. I think we had an excellent opportunity to see the results of Dr. Nigam. The case of his staff members was excellent for many reasons. The procedure could be done these days, and within a few months to have clear results. However gc83uk insisted that Dr. Nigam chooses 5 patients. He spoke with Dr. Nigam and agreed that the 5 patients will be recruited by 15 September. Personally I think it's impossible to do this for a short period, Dr. Nigam is very busy and does not have much free time. I'd like to be wrong, because we are all in the same boat. Time will tell. Bananana ... I'm here, my friend, do not worry, I will not go because I'm interested in what will happen but I will not post any comment. As you can see gc83uk claims that doubling much safer option than HM, and he does not knows that hair doubling does not work without stem cell shot, which is just as risky as HM.

                                All info and news that I received from Dr. Nigam will share with you.

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