First Pics of 3D spheroidal DP aggregate @ Dr. Nigam's Lab

[gc83uk]

"doubling", as far as I can tell, is when nigam extracts a 2-hair FU using FUE, and then in a petri dish or whatever, he split it into two follicles with a knife-- then implants half in the recipient and half in the donor.

Docs have been doing this for years, hasson has been splitting hairs down to single one-hair follicles FOR YEARS. But hasson uses the one haired grafts around the hairline for aesthetic reasons and never implanted them back in the donor (mostly cause he did FUT)

point being, he is doing nothing even remotely new.


it would be good if he got 5k 2 to 3 hair grafts and split them into 10-15k one hair grafts and put them all in the recipient, but I dunno.... not much to see here in my opinion.

No mate, Nigam claims he can take a 2 hair FU, and put a small part of that 2 fu in the donor and another part in the recipient. Creating 4 hairs from 2. That's why we are here.

From what I can gather, visually after the transplant, the 2 hairs (dead material) are placed in the recipient and will grow normal. Obviously some part of the FU is placed back in the donor, I don't know exactly for sure this is correct, but this is how I understand it.

[Arashi]

No mate, Nigam claims he can take a 2 hair FU, and put a small part of that 2 fu in the donor and another part in the recipient. Creating 4 hairs from 2. That's why we are here.

NeedhairASAP does have a valid point though. We'd still need good enough photo's from donor (shaved) to see that donor really didn't thin out. But that should be easy.

[gc83uk]

And then just figure out a smart way to get this guy back to the clinic for his 2nd procedure and for his photo sessions. Again money talks. And what's a few thousands of dollars if he can convince the world he's for real and effectively cured hairloss ? In fact, what's even 50k usd ? Not saying he should pay the guy $50.000 but just saying that if that's what's needed, it's only a small price relatively to the amount of money Nigams would make if the whole world would visit his clinics all of the world.

Precisely.

I just want to clarify that using one of Nigams staff to be the patient could be a bad idea. Did he suggest to Veca about using the 15 graft test guy? From memory that guy was not slick.

I'm not even sure Dr Nigam understands what we mean by slick. No offence intended there.

[gc83uk]

NeedhairASAP does have a valid point though. We'd still need good enough photo's from donor (shaved) to see that donor really didn't thin out. But that should be easy.

Photos would be good. But like I said how can you take 5000 or 10,000 grafts out of an NW7 without noticing thinning? The guy would have to have the thickest donor known to man to get away with no regrowth and losing that many grafts from his donor.

This nw7 test guy must be willing to SHAVE his remaining donor hair before the extractions and keep it shaved for future photos. This is imperative.

[Arashi]

Photos would be good. But like I said how can you take 5000 or 10,000 grafts out of an NW7 without noticing thinning? The guy would have to have the thickest donor known to man to get away with no regrowth and losing that many grafts from his donor.

This nw7 test guy must be willing to SHAVE his remaining donor hair before the extractions and keep it shaved for future photos. This is imperative.

Well if he'd just split grafts, then I guess 5k grafts could be somewhat unnoticable. Especially if he'd just take one hair out of each graft and place the rest back in donor. And even with 10k grafts, if he'd apply some concealer it would be difficult to spot (10k hairs lost in donor would effectively mean 4000 x 2.5 hair grafts, and I guess a 4k graft loss in donor would be difficult to notice with concealer). That's why we'd still need good quality photo's to back the claims up. But that should all be rather easy to do.

[veca]

This patient underwent a test "15 grafts patch test" in this test, he received a shot of dp stem cells and grow factor, and as you can see on the front of the scalp can notice a significant growth of new hair. How could I presume, Dr. Nigam is estimated that it takes approximately 10,000 grafts to make it into a NW1. To achieve this requires two procedures, each with 5000 grafts. This means, the first procedure ... he takes 5000 grafts from the donor region, duplicating them, 5,000 returned to the donor region and other 5000 recipient region. Gives him a shot dp cells, grow factors etc.., After a certain time, will start the second procedure, the same as the first. In this case, it is impossible not to see the regeneration of the donor region. If it takes 10,000 grafts from the donor to the region will be very noticeable. We will not need to micro images to notice it!

[Arashi]

Anyway, the more grafts, the more difficult to fake it, that's for sure. And a closeup video of the end result, running a comb through the hair should easily show us if there's concealer or not. So yeah I guess that if he'd get a slick bald NW7 to get 15k grafts and shoot a good video of the end result, running a comb through his hair, then that would definitely be the proof we all seek.

[gc83uk]

Well if he'd just split grafts, then I guess 5k grafts could be somewhat unnoticable. Especially if he'd just take one hair out of each graft and place the rest back in donor. And even with 10k grafts, if he'd apply some concealer it would be difficult to spot (10k hairs lost in donor would effectively mean 4000 x 2.5 hair grafts, and I guess a 4k graft loss in donor would be difficult to notice with concealer). That's why we'd still need good quality photo's to back the claims up. But that should all be rather easy to do.

You can't use concealer on a shaved head, but yes good photos should really be a given.

How long should it take to find a NW7 slick candidate who is willing to accept money for undergoing the procedure and $100 per week to encourage him to have photos done.

[Arashi]

You can't use concealer on a shaved head, but yes good photos should really be a given.

How long should it take to find a NW7 slick candidate who is willing to accept money for undergoing the procedure and $100 per week to encourage him to have photos done.

Hmm good point. If Nigams would shave this guy's head to 5 mm it would not only be impossible to use concealer unnoticed. It would also easily show us that the recipient doesn't contain just all single hair grafts. Nigams just needs to throw a little bit of money at this guy to have him shave his head a certain times and get to the photo shoots. Nothing that can't be accomplished by giving this guy some money.

[UK_]

Why cant he just use a 1 inch x 1 inch square, take out all the hairs, implant them somewhere else and show regeneration?

Is it that difficult to perform this test with a VIDEO CAMERA (not pictures).

[Arashi]

So, we need a:

* Slick bald NW7
* shoot video of initial situation holding today's newspaper
* Shave donor and shoot high quality pictures of donor
* Give him 15k grafts
* In the end shave his hair down to 4-5 mm and shoot new pictures.

That would yield the proof we're all looking for, without any possibilities to fake it, right ?

Test person should be motivated with money to do all this and to ensure his ongoing participation.

[Arashi]

Why cant he just use a 1 inch x 1 inch square, take out all the hairs, implant them somewhere else and show regeneration?

Is it that difficult to perform this test with a VIDEO CAMERA (not pictures).

NO no no, not that again. There are too many ways to fake that

[veca]

You know what, I think that all this is not worth the effort. I will not post for next few days, because it seems to me the only Arashi, Didi and several other members of the forum will never be satisfied. I think that for them, there is no adequate case which would remove their doubts. After all, why should I harassed Dr. Nigam and took his precious time to convince few forum members that he does not lie. If I see that there is a "healthy interest" of other members of the forum, I might convince Dr. Nigam to do so. But if you come for a few days and I find 15 pages of Arashi and Didi discussions and BS will be no need for this experiment.

[UK_]

So, we need a:

* Slick bald NW7
* shoot video of initial situation holding today's newspaper
* Shave donor and shoot high quality pictures of donor
* Give him 15k grafts
* In the end shave his hair down to 4-5 mm and shoot new pictures.

That would yield the proof we're all looking for, without any possibilities to fake it, right ?

Test person should be motivated with money to do all this and to ensure his ongoing participation.

Yes okay, if Nigam agrees to use the ENTIRE donor area, I mean if he's telling the truth about 95%+ regeneration then the patient should end up with a normal donor area 5 months later. Right?

[veca]

You can't use concealer on a shaved head, but yes good photos should really be a given.

How long should it take to find a NW7 slick candidate who is willing to accept money for undergoing the procedure and $100 per week to encourage him to have photos done.

That is mission impossible!!!