First Pics of 3D spheroidal DP aggregate @ Dr. Nigam's Lab

**UK_** · 08-23-2013, 03:32 AM

Originally posted by veca

Here are two published papers and study..which gives a clue that doubling is possible...Dr. Niga have few independent studies too which are not there on the net...whcih have proven that doubling is very much possible....due to trade secret i caanot post them
Important thing... it is only with the help of tissue engeneering like...multiplied stemcells,2d/3d dp spheroids,growth factors...can we achieve higher yield with doubling
Doubling is all about regenerative medicine..hence more we work on stemcells.dpcuptures,growth factors..better the chances of success with any doubling technique..doubling is not possible without the help of regenerative medicine...hence he has to focus of hm/dp cultures/gf...and applythe findings to improve doubling.

Restoration of hair growth by surgical implantation of follicular dermal sheath.
Horne KA, Jahoda CA.
Source

Department of Biological Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland.
Abstract

The capacity of lower follicle dermal sheath to restore hair growth was tested by removing the lower halves of follicles, and then immediately implanting material containing dermal sheath cells from these bases, into the remaining upper epidermal follicle cavity. Over 60% of recipient follicles produced stout emergent vibrissa fibres and some operations resulted in multiple hair production from a single follicle. Histological examination revealed new dermal papillae within large bulb structures which were sited below the level of amputation--a feature that indicated that the new dermal papilla was derived from implanted material. For many follicles, the failure to produce emergent fibres could be accounted for after histological examination. These results provide clear evidence that lower follicle dermal sheath cells are capable of replacing those of the dermal papilla and it shows that they can do so in the context of the upper follicle. However, because elements of lower follicle epidermis were present in the implant material, the interactive sequence of events cannot be established. Dermal sheath cells have immense potential for papilla cell replacement: questions remain as to whether the distinction between sheath and papilla cells is one of context, or whether the transition requires specific external influences.

Tonight I will post more, take care guys

So basically, they've got it to work, but they dont know how it works?

**veca** · 08-23-2013, 04:14 AM

Doubling is all about regenerative medicine..hence more we work on stemcells.dpcuptures,growth factors..better the chances of success with any doubling technique..doubling is not possible without the help of regenerative medicine...hence he has to focus of hm/dp cultures/gf...and applythe findings to improve doubling.

**veca** · 08-23-2013, 04:33 AM

You know what ... I do not want to answer any more to stupid provocation of some forum members. The worst thing is that these individuals make conclusions based on their assumptions. And in order to have the right assumptions, you must have knowledge, and they obviously do not have it, because they never read any article that talks about regenerative medicine. I'm sorry for some forum members who have understanding and patience. From now on I will not answer any of the questions, I will send you articles related to hair doubling so that you could understand how complex the whole thing is. And from now on I will only post news sent by Dr. Nigam to me.

**didi** · 08-23-2013, 04:49 AM

Originally posted by veca

Doubling is all about regenerative medicine..hence more we work on stemcells.dpcuptures,growth factors..better the chances of success with any doubling technique..doubling is not possible without the help of regenerative medicine...hence he has to focus of hm/dp cultures/gf...and applythe findings to improve doubling.

Veca

Improve??he is getting 100%+ regen rate....that's more than one can ask for..

hes been offering doubling since May of this year, he stopped completely with fue/fut.. correct??

but you sounds like he is still figuring things out through trial and error....

I can smell BS

**UK_** · 08-23-2013, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by veca

You know what ... I do not want to answer any more to stupid provocation of some forum members. The worst thing is that these individuals make conclusions based on their assumptions. And in order to have the right assumptions, you must have knowledge, and they obviously do not have it, because they never read any article that talks about regenerative medicine. I'm sorry for some forum members who have understanding and patience. From now on I will not answer any of the questions, I will send you articles related to hair doubling so that you could understand how complex the whole thing is. And from now on I will only post news sent by Dr. Nigam to me.

Huh? But Dr Nigam is claiming to get 100% doubling rate - or was he lying?

**veca** · 08-23-2013, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by UK_

Huh? But Dr Nigam is claiming to get 100% doubling rate - or was he lying?

He is getting 100% doubling rate, he was NOT lying, but he is trying to improve the procedure. You must understand that Hair Doubling and Hair Multiplication are two completely different things. Just read the article I sent you this morning. Doubling is not possible without the help of regenerative medicine...hence he has to focus of dp cultures/gf...and apply the findings to improve doubling.

**Arashi** · 08-23-2013, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by veca

He is getting 100% doubling rate, he was NOT lying, but he is trying to improve the procedure. You must understand that Hair Doubling and Hair Multiplication are two completely different things. Just read the article I sent you this morning. Doubling is not possible without the help of regenerative medicine...hence he has to focus of dp cultures/gf...and apply the findings to improve doubling.

Veca. I think you should just stop posting stuff like this. We don't care about papers. Who knows if Nigams even understands them ? We don't want promises and nice words anymore. We want proof !! Real proof, not some photoshopped pictures, we want to see a NW7 get 10.000 grafts (5k grafts split to 10k and implanted in recipient, the max Nigams says he can do in 1 session). That's all. More words and promises will only make people more angry, cause Nigams NEVER delivered what he promised. He made a fool out of himself when he posted those photoshopped pictures and pictures with arbitrary numbers in them. Please refrain from posting until you actually have some REAL proof.

**hellouser** · 08-23-2013, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by veca

He is getting 100% doubling rate, he was NOT lying, but he is trying to improve the procedure. You must understand that Hair Doubling and Hair Multiplication are two completely different things. Just read the article I sent you this morning. Doubling is not possible without the help of regenerative medicine...hence he has to focus of dp cultures/gf...and apply the findings to improve doubling.

All these claims are the same as anything else being amazing.... on paper. Its been a year, many of us would like to see evidence, not claims.

**mari0s** · 08-23-2013, 09:16 AM

Veca stop posting here, this is no man's land. This should be a thread related 3D spheroidal experiment of dr. Nigams instead we have 12 pages of complains about finding a nw7 for doubling and insults. No sign of moderator to keep OT low, they show themselves only if you post a link of other forums.
There is really no point posting here further Nigams experiment you will only receive similar kind of reactions.
I'm really interested of what he's doing now but not at this price to read dozen of pages of complains about nw7 doubling

**Arashi** · 08-23-2013, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by mari0s

Veca stop posting here, this is no man's land. This should be a thread related 3D spheroidal experiment of dr. Nigams instead we have 12 pages of complains about finding a nw7 for doubling and insults. No sign of moderator to keep OT low, they show themselves only if you post a link of other forums.
There is really no point posting here further Nigams experiment you will only receive similar kind of reactions.
I'm really interested of what he's doing now but not at this price to read dozen of pages of complains about nw7 doubling

I think there would be a lot less negativity here if Veca and Nigams would just do this: get a slick bald NW7 for 3d culture experiments and get a slick bald NW7 for donor doubling. Shoot a video of both subjects holding today's newspaper. Shave the test person's donor and shoot good highres pictures (both persons, also the 3d culture subject), good enough detail so that we can count hairs. We won't accept anything other than professionally shot pictures. Post that ASAP.

Then come back after say 3 months, with some first update pictures. Then come back in 5 months, again with pictures and come back in 7 months.

And please refrain from ALL other posts. We don't care about more words, promises, photoshopped, manipulated and unanalyzable pictures. We've had that for over a year and the more BS you feed us, the more angry we become. Now it's time for proof !!

**veca** · 08-23-2013, 11:38 AM