custom growth factors

[Jazz1]

Stevo how would you suggest cycling proxiphen then? 4 months on 1month off? Also are the pdg2 iron dragon stuff working on you?

[Imalmostbald]

Imalmostbald,

Thanks for letting us know.

See my long history post above.


I am hoping the nano delivery will make a big difference.

Specifically, I got AWESOME initial results with A&Q hair growth factors but results started fading. It looks like nano will help with penetrationn and I am not positive but it may appear to have more/stronger growth factors than A&Q.

As you can see in my earlier posts I do not mind spending the money experimenting or being the guinna pig...chucke.

Well yeah the nano delivery should work in theory because the individual particle size should be small enough to pass the skin. However i do recommend dermarolling for everyone who is going to use growth factors, as that is pretty awesome in terms of penetration with macromolecules and it has been proven that a commercial 0.5mm dermaroller is sufficient to drive compounds up to 72kDa through the skin.

Interesting that you got initial great results with a&q hair growth factors. I can't seem to find a exact specification on what growth factors they use and at what dosage in their formulation.. Did you get any information about this? Anyways i used bfgf, kgf, wnt7a, noggin, shh and took the plunge with this formulation now (anageninc). I like the composition of it, especially noggin as that indirectly also induces shh and wnt (antagonize bmp4). I feel they work more as a sort of a anagen pusher especially in diffused hairloss areas.

All those factors in the formulation are pro anagen pushers, and while they might work very good in diffused hairloss areas i doubt they will really regrow totally bald spots. I didn't manage to regrow my temples with bfgf, kgf, wnt7a and noggin and i doubt this formulation will, but who knows ! At least my hair on crown etc is top notch now.

[hellouser]

Well yeah the nano delivery should work in theory because the individual particle size should be small enough to pass the skin. However i do recommend dermarolling for everyone who is going to use growth factors, as that is pretty awesome in terms of penetration with macromolecules and it has been proven that a commercial 0.5mm dermaroller is sufficient to drive compounds up to 72kDa through the skin.

We know Cotsarelis is meddling with FGF-9 post wounding to create new hair follicles. We know FGF-9 has a molecular weight of 23kDa.

If this method of passing large molecules through skin works, I'd *love* to see FGF-9 in this vehicle post wounding.

[clandestine]

Imalmostbald;

So you've achieved much regrowth with growth factors?

Any negative sides? And you've managed to retain the regrowth? Are you on fin?

Cheers.

[Californication]

All those factors in the formulation are pro anagen pushers, and while they might work very good in diffused hairloss areas i doubt they will really regrow totally bald spots. I didn't manage to regrow my temples with bfgf, kgf, wnt7a and noggin and i doubt this formulation will, but who knows ! At least my hair on crown etc is top notch now.

I'm a diffuse thinner and would love to get some regrowth in my crown at a minimum as would a lot of other people I'm sure.

Can you explain your regimen in detail, where to buy these factors, safety if if you know of anything, your norwood status/how long youve been fighting the fight, photos if you have any and are comfortable sharing them. Thanks

[Stevo1]

Stevo how would you suggest cycling proxiphen then? 4 months on 1month off? Also are the pdg2 iron dragon stuff working on you?

Jazz1,

Response to your two questions:

After 35 yrs of experience with products here is my personal two cents:

1) Knowing what I know now. I would follow what Dr. Q advocates from A & Q.

First, I would not use any product every single day. Hence, use every other day.

Second, after six weeks of every other day, take a break for 1 month. and then resume 6 week regimen again.

2) As far a my results with ALL Iron-Dragon Products...please see my other DETAILED post to you above about my experience.

Respectfully,

Stevo1

[Stevo1]

Well yeah the nano delivery should work in theory because the individual particle size should be small enough to pass the skin. However i do recommend dermarolling for everyone who is going to use growth factors, as that is pretty awesome in terms of penetration with macromolecules and it has been proven that a commercial 0.5mm dermaroller is sufficient to drive compounds up to 72kDa through the skin.

Interesting that you got initial great results with a&q hair growth factors. I can't seem to find a exact specification on what growth factors they use and at what dosage in their formulation.. Did you get any information about this? Anyways i used bfgf, kgf, wnt7a, noggin, shh and took the plunge with this formulation now (anageninc). I like the composition of it, especially noggin as that indirectly also induces shh and wnt (antagonize bmp4). I feel they work more as a sort of a anagen pusher especially in diffused hairloss areas.

All those factors in the formulation are pro anagen pushers, and while they might work very good in diffused hairloss areas i doubt they will really regrow totally bald spots. I didn't manage to regrow my temples with bfgf, kgf, wnt7a and noggin and i doubt this formulation will, but who knows ! At least my hair on crown etc is top notch now.

Iamalmostbald,

Thanks for the detailed reply. Let me see if I can add a few things.

1) Yes, I know the benefits of nano technology..see my bio about other new product Agent Advanced. Yes, I dermarolled with A & G growth factors as even the inventor suggested....see my lenghty bio above. In addition, he suggested his patients got even better results when they lasered after application.

2) My Growth Factor Summary- A&Q was originally called A & G...as in Amend Quintani and Greg Maguire as partners. They since split and Amend is on his own...hence A & Q.
Greg Maquire started BioRegenerative Sciences. Furthermore, Dr. Leatherman was also involved with Dr. Q then split off and created CyGenx. Bottomline, they all produce hair growth factors on their own. Each a little different ingrediant delivery method

A&Q ingredients:
Water (Aqua), Human Fibroblast Conditioned Media, Propylene Glycol, Lonicera Caprifolium (Honeysuckle) Flower Extract, Lonicera Japonica (Honeysuckle) Flower Extract, 1,2-Hexanediol, Caprylyl Glycol.....seems weak compared to your stuff now.

Cygenx technology: HE CYGENX® TRI-MIX BLEND OF GROWTH FACTORS ORIGINATES FROM HUMAN FIBROBLAST, HUMAN ADIPOSE DERIVED STEM CELL AND INDUCED HUMAN ADULT PLURIPOTENT STEM CELL CONDITIONED MEDIA WHICH ARE NATURALLY SECRETED. THESE GROWTH FACTORS ARE DELIVERED IN GREATER CONCENTRATIONS AND DIVERSITY THAN THOSE PRODUCTS DERIVED FROM ONLY A SINGLE SOURCE OF CONDITIONED MEDIA.
THE ACTIVES IN REGENRXX® ARE HIGHLY POTENT SIGNALING MOLECULES AND ARE ENVELOPED INTO THE ENCAPSULATING NANO-TECHNOLOGY KNOWN AS PENETRATION PLUS™. THIS TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS FOR THESE POTENT ACTIVE INGREDIENTS TO PENETRATE MORE DEEPLY INTO THE SKIN FOR EVEN GREATER DELIVERY POTENCY. THIS INCREASED POTENCY LOGICALLY TRANSLATES INTO FASTER AND BETTER DESIRED RESULTS.

Bio-Regenerative Sciences:The unique nature of the stem cell released molecules technology (SRM TechnologyTM) centers on the identification, selection, culture, and stimulation of the appropriate stem cells, and then the capture of those molecules released from the stem cells. In this manner, proprietary and patent-pending technology is used in the BioRegenerative Science (BRS) laboratory to capture what the stem cells normally release in the body. This is a systems based approach where, instead of a reductionist approach where one or two molecules are used for treatment, all of the molecules from the stem cells act together as they normally do in order to deliver the emergent properties of the system of all molecules. Further, BRS uses a technology that mimicks the manner in which the body heals itself whereby two or more types of stem cells become resident at the site of injury, and the two types of stem cells release their molecules into the tissue in concert, producing an emergent, synergistic healing effect. The use of two or more stem cell types to produce the SRM is known as BRS' S2RM Technology.TM

bottomline...it would appear the Anagen Inc product is much more powerful. Hence, why I am excited to try...since I initally got great results with A & Q.

Respectfully,

Steve

[Conpecia]

Imalmostbald;

So you've achieved much regrowth with growth factors?

Any negative sides? And you've managed to retain the regrowth? Are you on fin?

Cheers.

I'd also like to know the answers to these.

Have you continued losing hair at all Imalmostbald or did it completely stop along with the regrown crown? A lot of us would be pretty much set with crown/diffuse regrowth + a dense frontal transplant.

Thanks for sharing.

[Imalmostbald]

Imalmostbald;

So you've achieved much regrowth with growth factors?

Any negative sides? And you've managed to retain the regrowth? Are you on fin?

Cheers.

Pretty much however it is more of a multi angle approach as im on RU and minoxidil also. I surely know they contributed to thickening and regrowth though in my diffuse areas.

So as i said while they were pretty good and acted like a sort of minoxidil on steroids in my diffuse areas, they did not manage to regrow my totally slick bald temples, only very minor regrowth there. No negative sides of using them, had 0 side effects. I managed to keep the regrowth, i think RU is pretty good at doing that and I advise everyone to go with any anti-androgen when using those growth factors. I don't lose hair at all at my top, front and crown area now, it is stable like hell, dense, and got pretty thick too. Temples remain hard though.

[Cob984]

Guys how much are you applying and how often? I have no sense of measurement given that the container is rather small and its like a jelly

[Imalmostbald]

Guys how much are you applying and how often? I have no sense of measurement given that the container is rather small and its like a jelly

im applying this 1ml a day 3-4 times in the week, try to draw it in a oral syringe. Dermarolling before applying with a 0.5 mm dermaroller.

[lilpauly]

when my digital camera arrives i will post pics. i believe though my results are mostly from proxiphen and capillogain at this time. when i dropped/ cut back i lost alot of ground.

[Cob984]

though its very early, i dont think this does anything unfortunately,
With stuff like RU i can tell immediately the stuff works, with this no

[lilpauly]

though its very early, i dont think this does anything unfortunately,
With stuff like RU i can tell immediately the stuff works, with this no

they attack hairloss differently . at the 6-8 week mark we can get a good indication of how will it works based on the studies. westly has been using the growth factors for the longest and his report seem somewhat promising

[DesperateOne]

though its very early, i dont think this does anything unfortunately,
With stuff like RU i can tell immediately the stuff works, with this no

If you're on RU, what happens if you don't use it for a while or you skip a few days? Also, if I am on propecia should I even bother with RU?