custom growth factors

[DesperateOne]

they attack hairloss differently . at the 6-8 week mark we can get a good indication of how will it works based on the studies. westly has been using the growth factors for the longest and his report seem somewhat promising

Can you link me to the studies? Or where was the numbers.

[lilpauly]

If you're on RU, what happens if you don't use it for a while or you skip a few days? Also, if I am on propecia should I even bother with RU?

^ my take ru can target area s like hairlines better then propecia . 10 grams last me a year when applied to the hairline only

[lilpauly]

Can you link me to the studies? Or where was the numbers.

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[DesperateOne]

^ my take ru can target area s like hairlines better then propecia . 10 grams last me a year when applied to the hairline only

oh I see, thanks for the answer. I ordered the RU 10 grams and it was really expensive to say the least, not to mention the fees. lilpauly can you do me a favor and take a look at my pics and tell me if you think RU will help my particular hair loss. I am planning to also apply on the sides, I don't know how much I should use every day and how long will it last, I don't think those 10 grams will last me more than 3 months. I plan to use it with dermaroller and lipogaine. Or maybe just continue on the derma trial for 4 more months and store the RU in the freezer.

You can see it here.

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?p=144727#post144727

Also, if I miss a day with RU, you think I will shed really bad?

[DesperateOne]

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oh yes, I remember those pics now . Any gain will still be welcomed.

[lilpauly]

oh I see, thanks for the answer. I ordered the RU 10 grams and it was really expensive to say the least, not to mention the fees. lilpauly can you do me a favor and take a look at my pics and tell me if you think RU will help my particular hair loss. I am planning to also apply on the sides, I don't know how much I should use every day and how long will it last, I don't think those 10 grams will last me more than 3 months. I plan to use it with dermaroller and lipogaine. Or maybe just continue on the derma trial for 4 more months and store the RU in the freezer.

You can see it here.

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?p=144727#post144727

Also, if I miss a day with RU, you think I will shed really bad?

Hi man I'm not sure how long it will last u cuz u will be applying throughout the scalp. Your hairline is perfect . For some peoe ru stops hairloss completely but u still need something to grow hair such as Minox , lipogaine is good, rogaine foam is good well

[DesperateOne]

Hi man I'm not sure how long it will last u cuz u will be applying throughout the scalp. Your hairline is perfect . For some peoe ru stops hairloss completely but u still need something to grow hair such as Minox , lipogaine is good, rogaine foam is good well

So RU won't do crap for regrowing hair? I am already on fin and minox, only seen results now that I added derma rolling. Yes, my hairline is good, but everything else is shit .

[BudskiiHD]

Imalmostbald,

Thanks for letting us know.

See my long history post above.


I am hoping the nano delivery will make a big difference.

Specifically, I got AWESOME initial results with A&Q hair growth factors but results started fading. It looks like nano will help with penetrationn and I am not positive but it may appear to have more/stronger growth factors than A&Q.

As you can see in my earlier posts I do not mind spending the money experimenting or being the guinna pig...chucke.

Hey, You said you got awesome initial results with A&Q hair growth factors, a few questions, if you could answer will be much appreciated

1) Were you able to maintain/keep the results from A&Q GF's using stuff like Fin/DUT or RU58841 ?

2) How long before results started fading?

3) I'm interested in trying out the A&Q GF's. I understand that they come with 5 vials each with roughly 6 ml?( I tried reading he number off a screenshot on google of a vial, hard to see). Could you tell me how often you applied the GF's? every day? If this was the area you had to cover http://i.imgur.com/eFexPlO.png how many ml would you use? ( on the website, on directions tab it says apply small amounts of serum, i'm not sure how small they are talking ). Also did you cover the treatment in courses? for example the first vial is 1 course and once you finished it you waited maybe a month before starting another one.

4) "Awesome initial results", how awesome are we talking?

5) I'm guessing they are safe?

6) you said results started fading, that's with continued treatment right? If so, why would results start fading? Does your body build tolerance to it or something? Would same happen with other growth factor treatments like Histogen?

[lilpauly]

So RU won't do crap for regrowing hair? I am already on fin and minox, only seen results now that I added derma rolling. Yes, my hairline is good, but everything else is shit .

Ru can target areas better then fin but u need something to grow the hair

[DesperateOne]

Ru can target areas better then fin but u need something to grow the hair

Okay thanks, I will be waiting your results of the growth factors.

[Stevo1]

Hey, You said you got awesome initial results with A&Q hair growth factors, a few questions, if you could answer will be much appreciated

1) Were you able to maintain/keep the results from A&Q GF's using stuff like Fin/DUT or RU58841 ?

2) How long before results started fading?

3) I'm interested in trying out the A&Q GF's. I understand that they come with 5 vials each with roughly 6 ml?( I tried reading he number off a screenshot on google of a vial, hard to see). Could you tell me how often you applied the GF's? every day? If this was the area you had to cover http://i.imgur.com/eFexPlO.png how many ml would you use? ( on the website, on directions tab it says apply small amounts of serum, i'm not sure how small they are talking ). Also did you cover the treatment in courses? for example the first vial is 1 course and once you finished it you waited maybe a month before starting another one.

4) "Awesome initial results", how awesome are we talking?

5) I'm guessing they are safe?

6) you said results started fading, that's with continued treatment right? If so, why would results start fading? Does your body build tolerance to it or something? Would same happen with other growth factor treatments like Histogen?

BudskiiHD,

Regarding your questions:

1) I got an intial great burst of strength & growth the first 2-4 weeks of use, then tapered off. Each cycle after that was just ok, nothing special...NOTE: See my history and other comments starting with page 18.. My problem is no matter what GF's I use, I have VERY STRONG DHT genetics, and thus I think in MY case that will always be the bigger over riding factor. Again see my complete history for what I have, am, and will be using to fight the DHT factor.

2) Each vial was good enough for ~5 applications. You do NOT need to use one vial per session as they INITIALLY recommended. Hence, my protocal as oked by inventor is to use every other day. Hence, in my case the 5 vials would last me ~50 days or everyother day x 25 times. Then, they recommend taking a ~6 week break. I would strongly recommend this as also directed by inventor so not to built up tolerance or overstimulate. In fact, one time I ran out of some other product and was using everyday for about 1 month and definetly built up a strong tolerance for a while. Hence, had to take a 3-4 break as of May of this year.

If you are not in panic mode, you may want to hold off until I share my experience with the Anagen GF's which APPEAR to be much stronger than A&Q. They should be arriving early next week.

Also, I pre-oredered the CB-03-01 pre-mix from Iron-Dragon. I am hoping this will be the best DHT blocker I have used upto this point, and thus not be over-riding the GF's.

Lastly, I have used a micro-needle on/off for many years. But, now after only two weeks of using only once a week stonger with more time rolling each time, my hair is really starting to anchor much better. See other threads on New Needling Study/Results.

The best balding test (PULL TEST) is the one DR. Proctor told me about..Stongly pull on a tuft of hair and see how many come out. If more than 1-3, then your miniaturizing. For me this is right on the money when thing are working or not.

Hope that helps?

Respectfully,

stevo1

[BudskiiHD]

BudskiiHD,

Regarding your questions:

1) I got an intial great burst of strength & growth the first 2-4 weeks of use, then tapered off. Each cycle after that was just ok, nothing special...NOTE: See my history and other comments starting with page 18.. My problem is no matter what GF's I use, I have VERY STRONG DHT genetics, and thus I think in MY case that will always be the bigger over riding factor. Again see my complete history for what I have, am, and will be using to fight the DHT factor.

2) Each vial was good enough for ~5 applications. You do NOT need to use one vial per session as they INITIALLY recommended. Hence, my protocal as oked by inventor is to use every other day. Hence, in my case the 5 vials would last me ~50 days or everyother day x 25 times. Then, they recommend taking a ~6 week break. I would strongly recommend this as also directed by inventor so not to built up tolerance or overstimulate. In fact, one time I ran out of some other product and was using everyday for about 1 month and definetly built up a strong tolerance for a while. Hence, had to take a 3-4 break as of May of this year.

If you are not in panic mode, you may want to hold off until I share my experience with the Anagen GF's which APPEAR to be much stronger than A&Q. They should be arriving early next week.

Also, I pre-oredered the CB-03-01 pre-mix from Iron-Dragon. I am hoping this will be the best DHT blocker I have used upto this point, and thus not be over-riding the GF's.

Lastly, I have used a micro-needle on/off for many years. But, now after only two weeks of using only once a week stonger with more time rolling each time, my hair is really starting to anchor much better. See other threads on New Needling Study/Results.

The best balding test (PULL TEST) is the one DR. Proctor told me about..Stongly pull on a tuft of hair and see how many come out. If more than 1-3, then your miniaturizing. For me this is right on the money when thing are working or not.

Hope that helps?

Respectfully,

stevo1

Thank you so much for taking your time to answer, much appreciated.

I don't know If I want to try Anagen GF's. My only worry is possible side effects. I don't want to be a Guinea pig, I just have a minor receding hairline, don't want to risk anything. A&Q have been on sale for some time, they appear to be safe.

I will try the A&Q GF's. Will use 0.5ml for every application which will give about 12 applications for each vial. I will apply every other day .. so one vial will last me 24 days. Then after every vial I plan to take a month break. So will last for about 10 months.

Do you think A&Q GF's will stay stable for such a long time, will putting them in fridge buy me some more time?

But once again thanks, you've pretty much given all the info I needed.

[Dan26]

I took baseline pictures last week and just started taking GF's. Three times a week once on day of wounding (with 1.5mm roller) and the other times with 0.5mm roller.

I will keep everyone posted on my results~~~

[hellouser]

I took baseline pictures last week and just started taking GF's. Three times a week once on day of wounding (with 1.5mm roller) and the other times with 0.5mm roller.

I will keep everyone posted on my results~~~

SWEET!!

How hard are you dermarolling though? Just 'mild erythema' or enough to cause bleeding?

[Dan26]

SWEET!!

How hard are you dermarolling though? Just 'mild erythema' or enough to cause bleeding?

F*ck 'mild erythema' bro, I'm gushing blood all over the place! :P

Lol, I'd say the result of my rolling is similar to yours, blood aint streaming down my scalp put I am drawing quite a bit of it.